From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcmVhcyBSw7ZobGVy?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:26:26 +0200 Message-ID: <52400942.9040902@online.de> References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> <523FD9B2.9030304@online.de> <834n9cj9s3.fsf@gnu.org> <523FEE11.3050703@online.de> <83zjr4hrcg.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379928273 3585 80.91.229.3 (23 Sep 2013 09:24:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 23 11:24:36 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VO2Ng-0001IG-AP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:24:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39289 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO2Nf-0006xH-OD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 05:24:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37232) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO2NW-0006ws-Mp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 05:24:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO2NP-0000FE-EW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 05:24:26 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]:62320) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO2NP-0000Ey-4d; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 05:24:19 -0400 Original-Received: from purzel.sitgens (brln-4dba5cf6.pool.mediaWays.net [77.186.92.246]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mh6n3-1VBCSX2ZFp-00M2Zw; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:24:17 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 In-Reply-To: <83zjr4hrcg.fsf@gnu.org> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:W0xSPNlXECHwYZe7EZY3UrjykH6piDYh9m5sRRp7Xoz fEIaFvNlOa+Hrc1LvIa4z5MvQJfB+VuL+q1piqemCK0u5N+Nm6 JjtyD7O/xPMa0hreowVIEKF+gejKKbXdkjLsfgIVj7eoGsr2ev nLnSgGk32AERhF0mHrUD/KRuMzKEMGcXH7FdQ3IGvwREeFOlDq fXgsi1lNLDfZuidjUFMSFAxwZ04b5vP3XIa+TuyYtXKNDJskYC JqUoZvHDzaMWSoqFEz4299Par2UyDFERZNwTmErwPP0UVh1PCd //PEzv6CDL0OrvG1IOQLlIP580y0dgQ4kvn6VOr3+KyXvbk5Xh 5OiAhVP2cJqwQ+lKVjzI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.126.186 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163571 Archived-At: Am 23.09.2013 10:31, schrieb Eli Zaretskii: [ ... ] > >> Next screen tells about C-p, C-n > > It tells about arrow keys before it tells about C-n and C-p. > > > For which reason it talks about arrow keys in such preeminent position? Are you afraid Emacs users might not detect them?