From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPA commit freeze Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 04:28:58 +0300 Message-ID: <5216BADA.3080200@yandex.ru> References: <871u5w1tpy.fsf@yandex.ru> <520FA630.8080003@yandex.ru> <5211BBC8.40408@yandex.ru> <52133662.1000900@yandex.ru> <5213FA1C.3080700@yandex.ru> <52147393.9070509@yandex.ru> <5215364A.9000605@yandex.ru> <52155933.4080509@yandex.ru> <5215D018.70308@yandex.ru> <52167F22.3020501@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1377221359 15152 80.91.229.3 (23 Aug 2013 01:29:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 01:29:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 23 03:29:18 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VCgBh-0006OM-K0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 03:29:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34452 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCgBh-0004y0-1y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:29:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45227) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCgBZ-0004xh-B0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:29:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCgBS-0000sf-WD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:29:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ee0-x22c.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c00::22c]:64494) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCgBS-0000s8-QM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:29:02 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ee0-f44.google.com with SMTP id b47so9947eek.3 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:29:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4xZtamXTlg55ofR4Htrrec/e4P9qhTJYYAli2Zdd9cs=; b=AbFUzv3SVBlZLlurPsNK7pHnX5jnWCjSu3Y3+EKoRY7uLdyYq6SnFzI6UKed8tMsgA iQs1GMFEt7y5NS/6pu0RxJzUmULIGOgLV/zhX3VqW7j5alKIuNI0x704YpXA2aWzEX13 WNA3/fCWdjPJwH5cCNZgYBTqJ2fqqe/D/v6bxe8Bk4HHlcgfvsStLIgepHuLD0l4+WfW prvZceJ8Polf4teXIOP9U5kzZEmlnv9JxaGTh3LHoQymXWwhDP0OjjVEk9sLc413tlTg n5KIMYc1Lv6L0U7Uag91M1bzsM8M9nOUZlqj8Uk4QD5S2jlYXhKgfYj/k2TLJeCunEP2 JgtA== X-Received: by 10.14.1.131 with SMTP id 3mr361150eed.57.1377221341792; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.10.2] (62-118-214.netrun.cytanet.com.cy. [62.228.118.214]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n48sm21301443eeg.17.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:29:00 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130803 Thunderbird/17.0.8 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4013:c00::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:162988 Archived-At: On 23.08.2013 03:51, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> To have the description recognized by both Elpa and Melpa, currently I'd >> have to keep the same text in README.md and Commentary. And >> describe-package' buffer from Melpa would end up looking better due to not >> having extraneous info. > > I don't think MELPA is very important here. Until ELPA supports snapshots and updates faster than in 24 hours, Melpa is important, to me at least. > I guess you use it so as to > distribute snapshots of the code, but I think we need that for ELPA > anyway (we already have it for Org, tho it's terribly ad-hoc). So far I see only one option for Org installation. To distribute snapshots, you'd have to use a separate package archive, right? One that's also disabled by default? What would be the advantages over Melpa? Its audience would likely be (and remain) smaller, for example. > So assuming we'll have a "GNU ELPA snapshots" archive (help welcome), > this is a non-problem. It's either "help welcome" or "a non-problem", can't be both. I'm not convinced this is something worth doing. > You currently have duplication between Commentary: and the homepage. > I'm just suggesting to move that duplication from Commentary: to > README.md. So duplication-wise it's no worse than what we > currently have. It would be. A README.md, if present, is expected to have Installation section and, basically, most of you see on the home page. So far, what's duplicated is mostly Usage, with some additional info added in Commentary. The Commentary was written before me, by the way. The part about "how to write a back-end" probably need to move somewhere.