From: Ryan Johnson <ryan.johnson@cs.utoronto.ca>
To: Ken Brown <kbrown@cornell.edu>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: 64-bit emacs crashes a lot
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:24:25 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <520E3619.200@cs.utoronto.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <520E3510.8080101@cornell.edu>
On 16/08/2013 10:20 AM, Ken Brown wrote:
> On 8/16/2013 9:31 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 07:41:44 -0400
>>> From: Ryan Johnson <ryan.johnson@cs.utoronto.ca>
>>>
>>> On 16/08/2013 4:58 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>>> Again, please move this discussion to emacs-devel.
>>> Back pointer: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2013-08/msg00273.html
>>>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 22:35:54 -0400
>>>>> From: Ken Brown <kbrown@cornell.edu>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Invoke 'emacs-nox -Q' in mintty.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. M-x compile C-a C-k ls RET
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. C-x o
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Hit 'g' repeatedly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got it to abort with Fatal error 6 after slightly over 100
>>>>> repetitions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I then tried the same thing with emacs-X11 (running under X, not in
>>>>> mintty). I hit 'g' 200 times without a problem. I repeated this
>>>>> with
>>>>> emacs-w32, again 200 times without a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> So there's a bug somewhere. But if it's an emacs bug, it's
>>>>> strange that
>>>>> it only occurs with emacs-nox and not with either of the GUI
>>>>> versions of
>>>>> emacs.
>>>> I suspect that buffer relocation might be the reason. Can you show a
>>>> backtrace from the fatal error in an unoptimized build, with the above
>>>> recipe?
>>> I'll try to get one. Meanwhile, is there a quick way to disable buffer
>>> relocation as a sanity test?
>>
>> I don't think so, but maybe it's already disabled in your build. What
>> do you see on these two lines when configure finishes:
>>
>> Should Emacs use a relocating allocator for buffers? yes
>> Should Emacs use mmap(2) for buffer allocation? no
>
> Should Emacs use a relocating allocator for buffers? no
> Should Emacs use mmap(2) for buffer allocation? yes
>
>> In any case, you could configure with --enable-checking=all, it might
>> catch the problem earlier.
>>
>>> If the optimized build still crashes reliably without it, the real
>>> problem is probably something else.
>>
>> Maybe, but not necessarily.
>
> FWIW, I just tried this on the trunk, both with and without
> optimization. The bug is still there in the optimized build, but I
> couldn't trigger it in the unoptimized build. I've also checked that
> the bug occurs only in 64-bit Cygwin, not 32-bit Cygwin.
>
> Here's some speculation. On 64-bit Cygwin, the space allocated to the
> heap and mmap goes from 0x6:00000000 to 0x700:00000000, with the heap
> starting at the bottom and mmaps allocated from the top down. (I've
> added the colons for readability). Is it possible that the optimized
> build takes shortcuts that are somehow incompatible with this model?
>
> I'm grasping at straws here, but I'm just trying to think of things
> that differ between the 32-bit and 64-bit systems.
I also suspect that the black magic cast by emacs and cygwin clash
somehow for 64-bit builds... some assumption the one makes that the
other breaks... but who knows which which assumption or which one breaks
it.
I also cannot get the unoptimized build to crash today; I'm not sure
what was going on yesterday that made it unstable, but the unwanted
reboot during the night seems to have cleared up whatever it was.
Ryan
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2013-08-16 11:37 ` 64-bit emacs crashes a lot Ryan Johnson
2013-08-16 13:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2013-08-16 11:41 ` Ryan Johnson
2013-08-16 13:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-16 14:16 ` Ryan Johnson
2013-08-16 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-16 14:20 ` Ken Brown
2013-08-16 14:24 ` Ryan Johnson [this message]
2013-08-16 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-16 15:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-16 16:51 ` Ryan Johnson
2013-08-16 17:46 ` Ken Brown
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2013-08-16 17:24 ` Ryan Johnson
2013-08-16 18:55 ` Ken Brown
2013-08-16 19:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-16 20:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-16 20:33 ` Ken Brown
2013-08-16 21:20 ` Ryan Johnson
2013-08-17 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-17 12:17 ` Ken Brown
2013-08-17 19:43 Angelo Graziosi
2013-08-17 20:16 ` Ken Brown
2013-08-17 22:23 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-08-18 17:43 ` Ken Brown
2013-08-18 19:10 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-08-18 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
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