From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.orgmode Subject: Re: org-export raises stringp nil error Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 01:00:14 +0400 Message-ID: <513A515E.50503@yandex.ru> References: <87ip539io1.fsf@nautilus.nautilus> <87zjye96ph.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87vc928kcm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <83sj46z468.fsf@gnu.org> <87txomz1j7.fsf@yandex.ru> <83li9yyyul.fsf@gnu.org> <87a9qexhqc.fsf@yandex.ru> <83hakmyoix.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1362776452 28873 80.91.229.3 (8 Mar 2013 21:00:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 21:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lele@metapensiero.it, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, bzg@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, sdl.web@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 08 22:01:12 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UE4Pf-00065l-Ax for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:01:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45140 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UE4PI-0003LL-Vm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:00:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60164) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UE4P6-0003Js-7f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:00:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UE4Ow-0001ft-Ug for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:00:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com ([209.85.217.182]:63435) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UE4Oo-0001e2-8I; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:00:18 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id gg6so1630207lbb.41 for ; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:00:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status; bh=jBhbvqYGAs4cEXU8VgMknnj7hSrirO6R0Ot8i6SDcW8=; b=g7x0SKjrh3aDP+E6m2UqqwTkLTJ3A5OTfnu1ekSRb+QV7dzjUYheAuBSqwDR5Gk1mN 3ehtZV0KHyyBlWpUxVGHWHVlt6eOZ3QeUJ0Ir9rH560D6KNWdYgWB1Q02wt6yGhOPXnE f0m7O/8rDsRz8Bh90pMOemQ0dmkrnYqRhH3vYxDw62psqIEnflWyIUVa0JG+t01Fs1Al H3I+j5QmCcXZPS4NrXfIcBfu2od7gfhEpPM6JHbaawLEGxu7Rs4uQEWHnJ428m203tiv AnC8TDgH+Intte5wzEMiF1BL1uLUwDI9eYHQphnRhpAErrryLkYgSyjfBRvvU9TozdGS ETAw== X-Received: by 10.152.133.67 with SMTP id pa3mr3170097lab.44.1362776416170; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:00:16 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([178.252.98.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fz16sm3194490lab.5.2013.03.08.13.00.13 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:00:14 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 In-Reply-To: <83hakmyoix.fsf@gnu.org> X-Antivirus: avast! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:157628 gmane.emacs.orgmode:67994 Archived-At: On 08.03.2013 18:06, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> Cc: lele@metapensiero.it, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, bzg@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, sdl.web@gmail.com >> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:18:19 +0400 >> >>>> I like the idea of stripping big bundled packages (like org, gnus, >>>> cedet, maybe even tramp, if that's possible). >>> >>> That would certainly mean more problems for users to set them up with >>> a particular version of Emacs, because there's no longer a clear way >>> of getting the version of package X that correspond to Emacs version >>> N.M. >> >> There won't be such correspondence. > > And therein lies the problem. > >> AFAIK, all 4 packages I mentioned above maintain backward compatible >> codebases, so it's not like they depend on the latest Emacs. > > When I install a package, I usually want its latest *stable* version > that is compatible with the Emacs version I run. As great as Well, you're not getting it now. If you're using Emacs 23, you get the old version of Org that was bundled with it, and not some newer one that is still compatible with it (that would be the current stable release, I imagine). > compatibility stuff is, I trust testing more, as I need to do > something each day that doesn't involve debugging Emacs and my other > tools. Easier access to newer versions for users means a bigger testing pool. Yes, the combination of "latest org + latest Emacs" may end up getting tested less, but that might be an acceptable tradeoff. Also, since org-mode or gnus won't update without explicit action from you, working with/on Emacs trunk may become more stable, because it will mean less moving parts. > Also think about various package managers for GNU/Linux distros, which > need to specify on what version of Emacs package X depends. They already do, at least for some packages: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/gnus http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/org-mode