From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: clang/emacs/ecb/semantic Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:21:36 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <50BF82A0.1020903@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20940A983D814C6192ABFF2B7A269A88@gmail.com> <87wqx42nag.fsf@yandex.ru> <87ehjcrw70.fsf@engster.org> <87hao816w4.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87hao7ioos.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87zk1yhib2.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87y5hg3jv1.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1354728116 30390 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2012 17:21:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 17:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miguel Guedes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 05 18:22:09 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TgIff-0003ct-Ca for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:22:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51332 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TgIfT-000844-47 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:21:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58801) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TgIfH-0007xi-TU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:21:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TgIfC-0006eK-14 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:21:43 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:58297) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TgIfB-0006eG-PT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:21:37 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A0939E8008; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:21:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZXVl5FaoGizB; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:21:36 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-71-189-154-249.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.189.154.249]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 896E639E8108; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:21:36 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.62 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155303 Archived-At: On 12/04/2012 06:05 AM, Miguel Guedes wrote: > I understand your wish to ensure free software remains > free not matter what, but restricting the freedom of users > of free software should not be the solution; in fact this > sounds like a contradiction in itself. We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not mean the same thing. With some, the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men and the product of other men's labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name, liberty. And it follows that each of the things is by the respective parties called by two different and incompatible names---liberty and tyranny. The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty, especially as the sheep was a black one. Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon the definition of liberty. -- Abraham Lincoln, Address at Sanitary Fair, Baltimore, April 18, 1864. Above quote is transcribed from Lincoln's Complete Works (Nicolay JG, Hay J, eds.), New York, The Century Co. (1920), volume 2, page 513.