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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229423 Archived-At: > > I really *urge* you to turn `menu-bar-mode' back on, permanently. >=20 > I live pretty happily with a disabled menu-bar. > Disabling it doesn't prevent me from using it (in those rare cases > where I find it more convenient), since I can access it with C-mouse-3. >=20 > [ I started disabling the menu-bar many many years ago when the few extra > lines of screen real-estate it gave me seemed more worthwhile. > This benefit has diminished over the years as my screens's vertical siz= e > has grown, but the day my 4:3 laptop dies the benefit will > increase again. ] >=20 > > I feel that so many of your questions would be answered by Emacs, if > > you only asked it. >=20 > Indeed, I think Emacs tries pretty hard to make it easy to find those > answers, so while I don't urge anyone to enable the menu-bar, I strongly > encourage people to *use* it for discovery purposes (including the > discover the various additional items in the Help menu). Yes. But if it is disabled you won't know when/whether a new mode has added a menu-bar menu (unless you happen to use C-mouse-3 in that mode sometime). That probably doesn't matter to you, but it might make a difference for a new user. I agree with Phil S that it makes sense for a new user, especially, to leave the menu-bar enabled. For someone a bit more experienced your suggestion can make sense. Choosing to discover things by exploring menus is in either case an active choice, but the visibility of a new main menu on the menu-bar can invite investigation.