From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: random doesn't feel very random Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:18:35 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <5041626B.6080608@cs.ucla.edu> References: <876288yh72.fsf@kanis.fr> <87wr0livd4.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83k3wfqtyx.fsf@gnu.org> <83vcfzosri.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1346462313 17626 80.91.229.3 (1 Sep 2012 01:18:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 01:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stromeko@nexgo.de, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 01 03:18:34 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T7cM5-0004ew-Vo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 03:18:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52203 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T7cM3-0002zA-Gw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 21:18:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55453) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T7cM1-0002z2-3F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 21:18:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T7cM0-00069l-Ab for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 21:18:29 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:34717) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T7cLz-00069H-0W; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 21:18:27 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5AA39E800D; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:18:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OdytzhKNgrlR; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-108-23-119-2.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [108.23.119.2]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5019439E8007; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:18:25 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120827 Thunderbird/15.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 131.179.128.62 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:152921 Archived-At: On 08/31/2012 12:43 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Alright, then let's make the change, I committed something to do that, in trunk bzr 109833 and 109834. One thing that wasn't discussed was how to set the seed, for people who want to do debugging and who want repeatable random sequences. Trunk bzr 109833 does that by letting one execute (random "STRING"), where the contents of the string determine the seed. If this doesn't seem to be a good idea, I'll volunteer to rip it out, or change it, or whatever.