From: Dmitry Antipov <dmantipov@yandex.ru>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r109327: Generalize INTERNAL_FIELD between buffers, keyboards and frames.
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 18:59:10 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <501E8A3E.1090708@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <501C1F4D.5010007@cs.ucla.edu>
On 08/03/2012 10:58 PM, Paul Eggert wrote:
>> why (F|W)VARs are so bad but (B|K)VARs are OK?
>
> The short answer is they're all bad. :-)
>
> FVAR is bad partly because it has the syntax of a C function,
> but not the semantics; it cannot be implemented as a function.
Why this is a problem ever? OK, maybe AREF and ASET are better;
but the only way to implement FVARs as functions is to have
array of Lisp_Objects in struct frame and meaningful indexes
for the particular slots, i.e.
enum frame_slots
{
NAME,
ICON_NAME,
TITLE
...
};
I don't like this, and most probably others will not like it too.
> How about if we compromise by switching to functional notation?
> That should be easier to read. That is, instead of this:
>
> return XFRAME (frame)->buffer_list;
>
> or this:
>
> return FVAR (XFRAME (frame), buffer_list);
>
> we write this:
>
> return frame_buffer_list (XFRAME (frame));
>
> Also, instead instead of this:
>
> f->buffer_list = Fcons (buf, Qnil);
>
> or this:
>
> FVAR (f, buffer_list) = Fcons (buf, Qnil);
>
> we write this:
>
> set_frame_buffer_list (f, Fcons (buf, Qnil));
IMHO this is just a poor copy of C++ class :-(:
if you have a huge class with 50 private members, you're
enforced to have 50 get_xxx and 50 set_xxx member functions.
Most of them are inline and fast, but, (IMHO again) they
do not improve readability and makes sense only if you have
a huge class hierarchies where the fine-granted member access
control is very important for some another reason.
Dmitry
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2012-08-01 10:33 ` [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r109327: Generalize INTERNAL_FIELD between buffers, keyboards and frames Stefan Monnier
2012-08-01 12:04 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-08-01 14:58 ` Paul Eggert
2012-08-01 16:52 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-08-01 17:38 ` Tom Tromey
2012-08-01 21:04 ` Paul Eggert
2012-08-02 5:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-08-01 15:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-08-01 18:02 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-08-02 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-08-01 23:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-08-02 4:12 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-08-02 5:56 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-08-02 7:47 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-08-02 9:30 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-08-02 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-08-02 15:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-08-02 21:28 ` Paul Eggert
2012-08-03 6:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-08-03 6:52 ` Paul Eggert
2012-08-02 23:38 ` Richard Stallman
2012-08-02 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-08-03 7:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-08-03 8:31 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-08-03 18:58 ` Paul Eggert
2012-08-03 22:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-08-04 16:31 ` Paul Eggert
2012-08-05 15:03 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-08-06 10:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-08-06 11:44 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-08-06 16:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-08-06 17:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-08-08 7:22 ` Chong Yidong
2012-08-05 14:59 ` Dmitry Antipov [this message]
2012-08-05 15:23 ` Paul Eggert
2012-08-05 20:29 ` Miles Bader
2012-08-03 22:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-08-03 23:11 ` Wojciech Meyer
2012-08-08 3:39 ` Chong Yidong
2012-08-08 7:14 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-08-08 7:46 ` Chong Yidong
2012-08-08 10:18 ` Dmitry Antipov
2012-08-08 12:41 ` Stefan Monnier
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