From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.windows Subject: RE: Emacs 24.0.93 Pretest Windows Binaries published Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 11:52:25 -0800 Message-ID: <50081AA79F2F4860A3B9DCEDFC1ABEC8@us.oracle.com> References: <4F25FA2F.2010401@gmail.com><4F27F4A1.6030907@gmail.com><6E4BE1E758D04283A7C3A660ED379966@us.oracle.com> <87liolnipl.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328212362 18467 80.91.229.3 (2 Feb 2012 19:52:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 19:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 02 20:52:41 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rt2i0-00080Y-EN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:52:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38845 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rt2hz-0006oH-UB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:52:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:60228) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rt2hw-0006o8-D0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:52:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rt2hr-0000pM-IG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:52:36 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:17406) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rt2hr-0000ou-Ct; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:52:31 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id q12JqRhL005873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Feb 2012 19:52:28 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q12JqRBN027819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Feb 2012 19:52:27 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt106.oracle.com (abhmt106.oracle.com [141.146.116.58]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q12JqQHk007538; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:52:27 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.179.10) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:52:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87liolnipl.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Aczh4CgvQ4L48MGCRLmvvYFc7R/bYgAAH8qA X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4F2AE97C.00E4,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 148.87.113.117 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148128 gmane.emacs.windows:5261 Archived-At: > DA> The readme is the only place we mention other Windows > DA> binaries - e.g. image binaries. Why treat GnuTLS specially? > DA> Either mention GnuTLS only in the readme (preferred) > DA> or mention in the announcement each of the binaries > DA> that mentioned in the readme (not preferred). > > I requested that GnuTLS be treated specially. I believe this is > necessary because it's important for secure networking on W32, unlike > any of the other libraries. This is a temporary remedy; I > will work on a W32 installer and then it won't be necessary > to mention GnuTLS explicitly (a link to the installer in the > announcement would be sufficient). 1. According to Eli, "It's an email authentication package." Which would mean that it is needed only by people who use Emacs for email. At a minimum, that should be pointed out in the brief description that needs to accompany this "special treatment". And that's the case wherever we choose to describe GnuTLS. (And it should be described in the README, irregardless of whether it is described in the announcement.) (FWIW, I expect that most Windows users do not and will not use Emacs for email.) 2. I'm not familiar with your proposed "installer", but I certainly hope that we will continue to distribute a simple zip archive with a Windows binary. A priori, I for one will not use an installer to "install" the binary. I use multiple Emacs Windows binaries, and I do not need an Emacs installer mucking about with my registry etc. This is one reason I do not use Lennart's installer, for instance. It is blindingly simple for a user to unzip an archive in a directory of choice, and create a startup shortcut. Nothing to it. What's the motivation for this installer? I can understand Lennart's motivation, since he has apparently customized many things, including at the C level. But why do you think Emacs users on Windows need an installer for vanilla Emacs? I have nothing against the general idea of our providing an installer in _addition_ to our providing zip archives, but I would not want to see the latter practice dropped.