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[109.24.225.43]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f84sm314027wme.34.2017.08.22.14.01.08 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:01:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-GB X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c0c::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217701 Archived-At: On 2017-08-22 20:09, Radon Rosborough wrote: > Well, nobody (including you) has told me *why* they don't like my > proposal. If somebody would explain that, then I would stop bringing > it up. I think I'm not a big fan of your proposal because the only problem I see with the status quo is that a call to package-initialize in the init file is required at all. Given this, I don't see a change to the status quo that still requires a call to package-initialize in init.el as an improvement. I think your proposal is well-designed and reasonable, and I think you made a good case for it, but it solves a problem that I don't see as a problem, and it doesn't solve the part that I'm bothered about. I hope this makes sense! Clément.