From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "David Robinow" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: whither GNU Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:40:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4eb0089f0808212040x33b77760id935e79982c85eee@mail.gmail.com> References: <10697146.3630221218551689983.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> <87d4k6qm9g.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r68kr1v5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <48AE09B2.3080900@emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219376475 28556 80.91.229.12 (22 Aug 2008 03:41:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:41:15 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 22 05:42:08 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KWNXI-0002qk-S3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:42:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46717 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KWNWL-0003Ll-Gx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:41:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KWNVt-0003B3-3e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:40:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KWNVr-0003AL-S3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:40:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37832 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KWNVr-0003AG-OZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:40:35 -0400 Original-Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.246]:58657) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KWNVr-0002sN-IX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:40:35 -0400 Original-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so246625rvb.6 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:40:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=UVYU1xh/koUOeP0NLPz4dXmBrucPs1j9aPRnsMfV9T4=; b=cjMJ8LDqb1aS4oeAwymizMX7qJ8ozh0CKx6IFPlHSOqh4BOni+Oo2munpN/joTE8y4 XRSrjSrbqCtSqdmkcbULtWXtDkhSj/HjV7FHtvO5+Q61oAl2tlwyg7mgqYkVUOjY2ZeD zwRfmdIjsp2VQqUJASrMwS0xsaLGEHoyA6M50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=g0B496/j6O9LXnSphqVx6UfGUElbfI1tcc4V1Vtintn33C6uLKrJ3cJwfYoInvjRON JuSODQ1RdiykSHPJxLicdhi4Oh6KpM+3y4IjJi/07z6MZzvCBl+X4yJclXvi/4uLNaSk 9NqV+tU0DHuEnpbWhe3EQRtr4oQ8c1WPbIyg8= Original-Received: by 10.141.86.14 with SMTP id o14mr276332rvl.227.1219376433814; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.141.74.21 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:40:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102803 Archived-At: On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 02:34, Thomas Lord wrote: >> The GNU projects, especially central ones like Emacs, do >> double duty as "messages" and their role as messages takes >> priority over technical quality. > > That was pretty evident in the way bzr did get "chosen" as future dVCS > for Emacs. No, that's a separate issue. Thomas is referring to the (unnecessary) war against non-free software having preference over the improvement of free software. The choice of bzr was perfectly reasonable. Emacs and bzr are part of the GNU community. The choice has increased the "market share" of bzr and has already led to improvements. Are there still problems? I don't know. I haven't used it yet. If you find any you should file a bug report.