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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -39 X-Spam_score: -4.0 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NICE_REPLY_A=-2.469, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255249 Archived-At: On 12.09.2020 00:17, Ergus wrote: > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:00:48AM +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >> So there will be contradiction between the menu and the keyboard? >> > Hopefully not: With the undo-redo-mode; undo icon will do undo-only as > well as the keyboard and toolbar-icon. Indeed. > Otherwise; maybe it is easier to keep everything there as now (undo and > redo in toolbar and menubar and no undo-redo-mode) but add an option > like default-undo-command to set the undo-only as the default undo > either in the keyboard, toolbar and menubar if someone (like me) don't > like at all the default undo. > > I don't know if that's possible with a simple remap... is it? It's unlikely to be as seamless as toggling undo-redo-mode. > BTW: everybody agrees in set undo-redo to C-? and M-_?? No objections so far, and the bindings are free, so... We can change the exact keys later anyway. > Personally I still think that a mode is better. But I trust more in Eli's > opinion than mine in this topics. Since Eli clarified that his objection is not hard (email from 11.09.2020, 16:13), perhaps you should go ahead and propose a concrete patch for review.