From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jens Schmidt Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Does Emacs need two Perl modes? Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 14:56:38 +0200 Message-ID: <4d18a051-07d5-fba7-1c36-ae2eb72bf71c@vodafonemail.de> References: <16da6ae7-66d8-fc43-cb84-6d104d3a2ef8@mavit.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29568"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.12.0 To: Peter Oliver , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 18 14:57:37 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qAryL-0007Qy-1t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 14:57:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAry4-0006lh-3U; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 08:57:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qArxy-0006jq-MP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 08:57:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mr4.vodafonemail.de ([145.253.228.164]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qArxk-0006TO-2D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 08:57:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=vodafonemail.de; s=vfde-mb-mr2-21dec; t=1687093009; bh=uUunxssiHU7Gn2rSBpSH//Y0RULhftATnFKuNwaU8Iw=; h=Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:Subject:Content-Language:To:References: From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:From; b=ia8+nlQ6Zb69glI0Hi2bDZBJZ87k6p79E6+6gS8GgFk7V8tq6ah2tfRKhD1bJo80f TmzDVFizGYaomIOa43oaQZfQ+gBybY4+uV0WQXtxkXsESd4SGVCqbteVLA+Td035Yd 1zDR3E58553EPziJdIgCCHnx+/cuVzFMHdBVYP7Q= Original-Received: from smtp.vodafone.de (unknown [10.0.0.2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mr4.vodafonemail.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QkXwK5fYPz1y0T; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.74] (p54a6dbed.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.219.237]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.vodafone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4QkXw973chzHnHg; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Content-Language: de-DE-frami, en-US In-Reply-To: <16da6ae7-66d8-fc43-cb84-6d104d3a2ef8@mavit.org.uk> X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate: clean X-purgate-size: 660 X-purgate-ID: 155817::1687093005-8AFFF0CB-5627AB3D/0/0 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=145.253.228.164; envelope-from=jschmidt4gnu@vodafonemail.de; helo=mr4.vodafonemail.de X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.09, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306986 Archived-At: On 2023-06-18 12:14, Peter Oliver wrote: > Does it still make sense for Emacs to include two different Perl modes? > Is it time to make cperl-mode the default, and to deprecate perl-mode? But then there are those, like me, who tried `cperl-mode', found it too (shamlessly generalizing here) electric, dwimmy, flashy, whatever, and who ruefully returned to `perl-mode', not wanting to invest any time to de-electrify, de-dwim, de-flash `cperl-mode'. Why not leave `perl-mode' in self-maintenance mode as long as users are happy with it? I won't say "no" when we talk about giving `cperl-mode' preference in `auto-mode-alist', though.