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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250643 Archived-At: On 17.05.2020 20:06, Stefan Monnier wrote: > FWIW, to get started, you just need: > > emacs -Q --eval "(setq default-frame-alist '((minibuffer . nil)))" > > But this indeed just begs the question of how to*manage* that > minibuffer-only frame (i.e. make it so that it's easily accessible when > the user needs it but it doesn't constantly get in the way the rest of > the time). > > I don't know of any package/theme/thingy that provides a good solution > to that yet. What your opinion on maple-minibuffer?