From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: ndame Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:50:46 +0000 Message-ID: <4XvMn7QQudwuCq-3cSOnqK_gBoHnmblv2--PKi2oupbCsZwaxxrzA2Chwb6LEzzg1TYjAJNboC8lwPgw8VA5IhYUBs-Jly9HfTqPtsgZUHg=@protonmail.com> Reply-To: ndame Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="3393"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 27 19:51:51 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jT7v5-0000m1-5k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 19:51:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56692 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT7v4-0003RC-7D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 13:51:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59492) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT7uH-0002rT-Fx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 13:51:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT7uG-00015S-HB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 13:51:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail4.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.27]:49929) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT7uF-0000qe-OO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 13:51:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1588009856; bh=Fm48jtbc11f5aNwH2NJ/7KcnCTrbr6bm82MBf1TMyJY=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:From; b=pLDtg72u6trt4i8Oy2mXhlUpo+XN2VEQ7sSMOrvbBnCbfyNko/MXCDqheg0yKA17U Tlk6HBI/cCLGdplgAx9tvJ5qip3zsFdmoLGLfUtjUTGChdIszeMRuRTMWCcZTwbOzV TGg1xxy0B61QkZqSLO3xPiU43GgFnx7N6cF9PLpM= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.27; envelope-from=ndame@protonmail.com; helo=mail4.protonmail.ch X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/27 13:50:56 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 185.70.40.27 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247947 Archived-At: > The article is here: > > https://download.blender.org/documentation/pdf/LXF204.feat_3d.5cjt.pdf That's not it, google found a version, some excerpts: "Blender developers =E2=80=93 would defend the software=E2=80=99s defiantly= idiosyncratic UI on the grounds that =E2=80=98different doesn=E2=80=99t al= ways mean worse=E2=80=99. Blender could do everything that other 3D package= s could, they argued, and given a little time, it was possible to adapt you= r old working methods to a new combination of icons, keyboard shortcuts and= menu commands. But for artists working in visual effects or game developme= nt =E2=80=93 notoriously high-pressure industries, particularly when deadli= nes are looming =E2=80=93 time is at a premium. Many people who might other= wise have loved Blender got no further than its splash screen" ... "Others struck at the heart of Blender veterans=E2=80=99 sense of identity = and even their muscle memory. In almost every other 3D application, you lef= tclick to select things. In Blender, prior to 2.80, you rightclicked by def= ault. Supporters argued that it made for a faster, more precise workflow = =E2=80=93 but it was also alien to artists coming to Blender from other sof= tware." ... https://www.pressreader.com/australia/linux-format/20191217/281745566267591 There are obvious similarities with Emacs' current situation.