From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: patch vs. overwrite in bzr Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 09:52:23 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <4F7C7C47.50001@cs.ucla.edu> References: <87k42cwys8.fsf@gnu.org> <87limhuldm.fsf@gnu.org> <871uo7g4j6.fsf@gnu.org> <87iphjhbm8.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87398lgrat.fsf_-_@niu.edu> <871uo5c7r0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87pqbpj5j3.fsf@altern.org> <87aa2szgig.fsf@gnu.org> <87ehs4yrhz.fsf@gnu.org> <87vclg804u.fsf@gmx.de> <87ehs3sxm1.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1333559472 20328 80.91.229.3 (4 Apr 2012 17:11:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 04 19:11:09 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SFTjS-0004oD-Q9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 19:10:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47500 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFTZH-0007fy-RV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:00:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48910) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFTZ7-0007ce-Og for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:00:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFTZ0-0002vm-K3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:00:13 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:50958) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFTRd-00010j-BK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:52:29 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E75A60009; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 09:52:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9D96zjrcEvb2; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 09:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F873A60001; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 09:52:24 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120209 Thunderbird/10.0.1 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 131.179.128.62 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:149372 Archived-At: On 04/04/2012 06:20 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > This is because we do not believe we have the manpower to keep two > active branches, and that most people would just keep on using the > `trunk' rather than help debug the feature-frozen branch. As it happens I made a similar point in a lecture in my undergrad software engineering course yesterday, and used Emacs 24 development as the example! Real-world software engineering often differs from textbook assumptions of unlimited development resources. > I would be open to experiment with the alternative, If the trunk were unfrozen, I confess that I'd probably make almost all my changes to the trunk. Debugging is less fun, at least for this volunteer. But the alternative might be a good idea anyway, as it might encourage more contributions overall while maintaining an acceptably low defect rate in the production version.