From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:38:00 -0800 Message-ID: <4F31C3E8.9090208@dancol.org> References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2739BFF462A470FF42A5A177" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328661498 14385 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2012 00:38:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 00:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nix , 'egnarts-ms' , Drew Adams , Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 01:38:17 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RuvY8-0001Ze-OF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:38:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55835 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuvY7-0002An-T7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:38:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56470) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuvY4-0002AX-Nq for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:38:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuvY1-0004mj-U6 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:38:12 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([96.126.100.184]:47029) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuvY1-0004mF-No for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:38:09 -0500 Original-Received: from c-24-18-179-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([24.18.179.193] helo=edith.local) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RuvXw-0008BG-AT; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:38:04 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 96.126.100.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148336 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2739BFF462A470FF42A5A177 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/7/12 3:48 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I've never understood what's wrong with including cl.el, nor why the >=20 > The main issue is namespace. If someone goes through the code to renam= e > it all to "cl-*", then we won't need to avoid using it. I don't think the namespace is an issue. A _lot_ of people do, in fact, (require 'cl), and packages continue to work for them. If there were any serious conflicts, they'd already be fixed. In other words, I don't think you can find an elisp package that only works properly if cl isn't loaded. --------------enig2739BFF462A470FF42A5A177 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAk8xw+gACgkQ17c2LVA10Vs6QQCgiIU0f4HeMF8Zg8HKMXfpBZhq 8DcAoNqr26Lfch+fI2zKhBbhN/Ceb88a =BvP+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2739BFF462A470FF42A5A177--