From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christoph Scholtes Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bug#10612: GnuTLS bundled with the windows Emacs binaries Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:00:30 -0700 Message-ID: <4F256D1E.4070902@gmail.com> References: <84boromyob.fsf@tum.de> <84ipknew07.fsf@tum.de> <87ipjzs512.fsf@gnus.org> <87wr8e8o58.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327852850 21027 80.91.229.3 (29 Jan 2012 16:00:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , Eli Zaretskii To: Emacs-Devel devel , Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 29 17:00:49 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RrXBQ-000075-9I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:00:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44667 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RrXBL-0006W1-Tt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:00:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:47731) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RrXBF-0006Vu-T9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:00:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RrXBB-00018q-NT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:00:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:44013) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RrXBB-00018l-E7; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:00:33 -0500 Original-Received: by iadk27 with SMTP id k27so5285969iad.0 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 08:00:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SoYvZEtkoOT9V3k5Pi2BTUSMV2H77UlGdqs6FdSOQw4=; b=iAI4Gyl0pE4NJ0k0fAf8F2kN/H/MZ+aiGKyBQKi9lhJmG8ZcSrjs9n0BcqYteXL+xP L8XuvqyFCj6pdTbZdDexpE0DVoUacRzLF9fN/HdLtEFGhxS23nzTWYk8dMD6sV8DIww8 PO2Gw3cAJk3G5xQdhTSeXQwZ21yhi5yCp2x2E= Original-Received: by 10.50.189.194 with SMTP id gk2mr15005405igc.0.1327852832449; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 08:00:32 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.6] (71-212-144-226.hlrn.qwest.net. [71.212.144.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id or2sm7685194igc.5.2012.01.29.08.00.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 29 Jan 2012 08:00:31 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 In-Reply-To: <87wr8e8o58.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.210.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148004 Archived-At: Ted, On 1/26/2012 8:44 AM, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > Christoph, can you add a GnuTLS build step to your Emacs build for > Windows, so the latest GnuTLS version can be used on that platform? We > had a long conversation about this and at least for now it seems to be > the best approach (and we agreed it would not be a task for the core > Emacs developers). If you prefer, I can set up a BuildBot to produce > the GnuTLS DLLs for you. From what Eli said about his experience building GnuTLS on W32 this is something I'd rather not take on. My time is rather limited. I am happy to build against whichever GnuTLS lib with binaries is available for W32 wherever. Whether that is on Eli's site or the official GnuTLS site. I will also include a link to a location where to obtain the binaries in my release announcements from now on. Regarding shipping Emacs with the GnuTLS binaries, I am generally not opposed to doing that. But what about jpeg, gif, tiff support? I agree with Juanma who IIRC said that we are providing an _Emacs binary distribution_. This whole model does not fit the expectations in the Windows world. In 2012, Windows users expect an "Emacs for Windows" with all (binary) batteries included, an installer/uninstaller, etc. We don't supply that and unless somebody steps up and does the work necessary we won't. Whether politically speaking we should is another question. Right now I am building against Eli's library v3.0.9. If you provide a more recent, working, binary build for Windows and there is a somewhat convenient way for me to get it (I can script downloading and unzip'ing) I can include it in the binary distribution. That is, of course, if nobody has compelling arguments why I should not. Do we have to provide the source for GnuTLS if we include it in the distro or is it enough for it to be available on the GnuTLS site? Christoph