From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: No sources for lisp/international/uni-*.el? Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:10:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4E40DD50.8050002@online.de> References: <18822.41538.150077.451125@a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de> <18822.52229.644385.706466@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20030.54198.935820.969776@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20031.31400.99411.903245@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <87fwlcnwvg.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312873822 23961 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2011 07:10:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 07:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 09 09:10:18 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QqgSA-0005rt-2P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:10:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51059 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QqgS9-0005Xz-Ar for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:10:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:39075) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QqgS6-0005Xj-Dj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:10:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QqgS5-0007hg-Bh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:10:14 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]:50930) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QqgS3-0007hG-FM; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:10:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.27] (brln-4db9eb39.pool.mediaWays.net [77.185.235.57]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MUlzw-1QpWFZ3jzQ-00Yugu; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:10:10 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 SUSE/3.1.11 Thunderbird/3.1.11 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:qrZhR7Hsc0VF6l01kArhr6O/MQzlvo3YqeCUmgdsRaP fHaKjCt0nvYzvrr9/eyr6M9iTc8aWAtpm+xPeWJPJmCCMLZFAs e0ugqoxRVP9MR0Q8KfhRUonWMf46ATuT0FviSZE1C3yLnkBAQF cMC7eCOtL0rJ4MRVSyWBoRXylPYwG4ndon1qb/lsVFm/pAgtZS v21IymNkk38HtLm6f5Q3G2gqwUrcPF/eOxVV/XaHkA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 212.227.126.187 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143045 Archived-At: Am 09.08.2011 03:44, schrieb Richard Stallman: > > Hm, for example lisp/international/uni-name.el doesn't look like "the > > preferred form of the work for making modifications to it". The file > > rather has the appearence of line noise. ;-) > > Maybe that memory concerned some other files. I said I might be > wrong. > > Since these files are not under the GPL, we are not leading anyone to > violate the GPL. So there is no legal issue, but there remains an > ethical issue: is it wrong for a release to contain generated files > made from sources that are distributed separately? In case you answer "yes", you must include the gcc-sources as well. Also the sources, the gcc is build from... IMHO in short: copyleft is saying: you must include the universe. Where again the wrong with copyleft is it's requiring, it's menace with the prosecutor and the courts. Would the GPL say politely: please do, it's recommended, than it's fine for sure. Real existing powers with it's police-systems, services and courts are not ethical because of the way they are build up nowadays. Maybe once in a better world constructed from Emacs-Sources... :) Andreas > > At the very least, it is good to avoid this. So why not add these > sources to the distrbution? >