From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?windows-1252?Q?=22Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst=22?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bidi,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Re: improving bidi documents display Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:50:19 +0900 Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University Message-ID: <4D6DA25B.3020809@it.aoyama.ac.jp> References: <837hcpryxr.fsf@gnu.org> <87wrklpzii.fsf@maru.md5i.com> <4D6A28AE.8010607@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <838vx1npjh.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1299030650 19706 80.91.229.12 (2 Mar 2011 01:50:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 01:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eli.osherovich@gmail.com, md5i@md5i.com, oshima@sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp, emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-bidi-bounces+gnu-emacs-bidi=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 02 02:50:45 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gnu-emacs-bidi@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PubD9-00064W-Vu for gnu-emacs-bidi@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 02:50:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59579 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PubD9-0003mw-DK for gnu-emacs-bidi@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:50:43 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48135 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PubD5-0003ji-Hz for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:50:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PubD3-00033l-RV for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:50:39 -0500 Original-Received: from scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.33]:43461) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PubD3-00032I-B0 for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:50:37 -0500 Original-Received: from scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.231]) by scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id p221oU9D001254 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:50:31 +0900 Original-Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 4107_3fb1_7474683c_446f_11e0_a5c5_001d096c566a; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:50:30 +0900 Original-Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:36145) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:50:30 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 In-Reply-To: <838vx1npjh.fsf@gnu.org> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp id p221oU9D001254 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 133.2.253.33 X-BeenThere: emacs-bidi@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of Emacs support for multi-directional text." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-bidi-bounces+gnu-emacs-bidi=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-bidi-bounces+gnu-emacs-bidi=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bidi:848 gmane.emacs.devel:136697 Archived-At: Hello Eli, Sorry to be late with my answer. On 2011/02/28 6:19, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:34:22 +0900 >> From: "Martin J. D=FCrst" >> >> CC: Eli Zaretskii, Eli Osherovich, >> emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, oshima@sw.it.aoyama.= ac.jp >> >> one based on overlays, which is what was originally suggested for this >> purpose by Ken'ichi Handa, but is currently not working because the >> characters in overlays don't participate in the bidi algorithm (Eli >> thinks that would make things too slow). > > If by "characters in overlays" you mean display strings, I guess yes. To be very specific, it's the before-string and=20 after-string properties mentioned on=20 http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Overlay-Properties.html. > then they are > not yet reordered because I didn't have enough time to make that > happen yet, Okay, we'll wait. But please note that we are interested not in the=20 reordering of the text inside each property, but in the text inside the=20 properties participating in the overall bidi algorithm and reordering of=20 the underlying text. > not because I think they would be slow. If speed is no longer an issue, that's great. Regards, Martin. > If you mean > something else, you should know that overlays that specify other > properties _are_ supported. > > --=20 #-# Martin J. D=FCrst, Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University #-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp