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From: David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Patch for fields of `struct buffer'
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:46:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D46E75E.7080503@harpegolden.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3k4hlywnh.fsf@fleche.redhat.com>

On 31/01/11 14:29, Tom Tromey wrote:

> One easy one is whether a new thread should inherit thread-local
> bindings from its parent thread.  Our initial implementation did
> inherit, but later I found out that this is not common in the Lisp
> world.

I'd suggest going with CL afaik-now-most-common-practice and not 
inherit. Isn't that easier implementation-wise anyway?

General api similarity to CL bordeaux-threads if doing conventional 
threads seems reasonable - I haven't thought especially deeply about it, 
but I doubt emacs lisp needs are particularly different to CL, and 
threading is no longer a new thing in CL land.

You can see the bordeaux threads api documentation without diving into 
any implementation source code (the reference implementation's license 
is open, but anyway):

http://trac.common-lisp.net/bordeaux-threads/wiki/ApiDocumentation

Because historically some CLs did one thing and others the other, you 
can see it recommends all bindings are redone anyway in portable code.

Also note how recent bordeaux-threads' make-thread takes an 
initial-bindings alist arg though, that defaults to the local value of 
*default-special-bindings*. So not "simply" inheriting local let 
bindings doesn't mean you can't provide a mechanism for establishing 
some thread-local initial bindings that don't correspond to the globals 
when you do want to do that - in fact you'll ultimately probably *want* to
have such a mechanism, some things are likely "naturally thread local".

The current version of that spec for the aforementioned 
initial-bindings/*default-special-bindings*  considers it an open 
question  whether the binding forms are evaluated in the original or new 
thread, but I expect new thread makes more sense, and is what recent 
clisp does:

http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes/mt.html#make-thread

(clisp also has symbol-value-thread, for accessing thread-local
bindings).

OTOH, maybe someone who's been writing multithreaded lisp recently might 
want to chime in...





  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-01-31 16:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-27 20:18 Patch for fields of `struct buffer' Tom Tromey
2011-01-28  7:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-28  8:58   ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-28  9:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-29 12:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-29 13:33         ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-01-29 13:42           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-02-02 18:17             ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-02-02 19:51               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-28 14:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-28 17:38   ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-28 18:27     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-28 18:42       ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-28 20:04         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-28 17:23 ` Kim F. Storm
2011-01-28 17:36   ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-28 18:29   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-29  2:34     ` Miles Bader
2011-01-29  3:58       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-29 16:18 ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-30 20:23   ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31  4:04     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 14:29       ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31 15:22         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 15:30           ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31 17:02             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 18:38               ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31 20:03                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 20:00             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 20:05               ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31 20:40                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 16:46         ` David De La Harpe Golden [this message]
2011-01-31 19:04           ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31 22:08             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-02-01 10:54             ` Daniel Colascione
2011-02-07  2:34               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-07 19:48                 ` concurrency suggestions for Gnus (was: Patch for fields of `struct buffer') Ted Zlatanov
2011-02-08  4:31                   ` concurrency suggestions for Gnus Miles Bader
2011-02-08 12:55                     ` Andy Moreton
2011-02-08 12:55                     ` Justin Lilly
2011-02-08 14:41                     ` bloom filters (was: concurrency suggestions for Gnus) Ted Zlatanov
2011-02-08 15:15                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-02-10  8:17                   ` concurrency suggestions for Gnus Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-02-01 15:43             ` Patch for fields of `struct buffer' Stefan Monnier
2011-02-01 16:28               ` Helmut Eller
2011-02-07  2:47                 ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-07  2:44               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-07  8:05                 ` Helmut Eller
2011-02-07 19:23                   ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-08 16:30                     ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-08 16:26                   ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-08 17:57                     ` Helmut Eller
2011-02-11 21:59                       ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-12  9:16                         ` Helmut Eller
2011-02-08 21:10                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 19:38         ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-01 18:26         ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-01 19:28           ` Paul Eggert
2011-02-01 19:42             ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-09 10:16               ` Jim Meyering
2011-02-10  4:42                 ` Miles Bader
2011-02-01 20:34           ` Andreas Schwab
2011-02-01 21:56             ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-01 21:59           ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-02  0:44             ` Paul Eggert
2011-02-02  3:49             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-02 16:26               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-02 16:37                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-08 15:07               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-08 21:02                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-08 21:08                   ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-08 21:21                   ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-09 21:32                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-08 21:58                 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-02-01 22:21           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-08 16:38             ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-11 21:48             ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-12  2:25               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 19:37     ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-31 19:57       ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-01  2:42         ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-01  4:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-02-01 16:40         ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-01 16:44           ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-02  2:42             ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-31 20:30       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 20:49         ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31 21:54           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-13 19:01             ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-14 17:47               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-14 19:34                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-02-15 15:58                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-15 20:41                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-01 16:39           ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-01 12:09         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-02-02  2:41           ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-01 10:26       ` Daniel Colascione
2011-02-01 12:10         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-02-01 14:23           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-02-01 16:19             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-02-01 17:08               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-02-01 19:57               ` Daniel Colascione
2011-02-01 20:06                 ` Daniel Colascione
2011-02-01 16:41         ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-01 16:51           ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-02  2:42             ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-02  4:16               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-02  5:04                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-11 21:51               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-12 23:28                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-13 20:26                   ` Installing `struct buffer' patch (Was: Patch for fields of `struct buffer') Tom Tromey
2011-02-14 16:42                     ` Installing `struct buffer' patch Chong Yidong
2011-02-14 16:48                       ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-14 16:52                         ` Chong Yidong
2011-02-14 16:58                           ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-14 17:36                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-15 15:50                             ` Chong Yidong
2011-02-16 14:55                               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-15 15:57                       ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-15  4:07                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-02-15 14:28                       ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-01 20:04           ` Patch for fields of `struct buffer' Daniel Colascione
2011-02-02  2:43             ` Richard Stallman

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