From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:48:35 -0700 Message-ID: <4D117A6B-0C4E-4F13-AC0E-C64DAB66C996@mit.edu> References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com><58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <5997613E240C402C877A76C688773E65@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1319665732 28947 80.91.229.12 (26 Oct 2011 21:48:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:48:52 +0000 (UTC) To: Emacs devel , ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 26 23:48:46 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJBL2-0004a4-LA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:48:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58042 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJBL1-0005Qa-QQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:48:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:38275) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJBKy-0005QH-Ty for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:48:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJBKx-0003OU-Lg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:48:40 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu ([18.9.25.12]:42684) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJBKx-0003OL-JQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:48:39 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190c-b7fd26d0000008df-52-4ea8803631c3 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.39]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id F1.EA.02271.63088AE4; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id p9QLmcWE024410; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:48:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.4] (c-67-183-32-38.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.183.32.38]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id p9QLmZh0002662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:48:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <5997613E240C402C877A76C688773E65@us.oracle.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrKIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nrmvWsMLPoPWdpcXjLY2sFo8XPGF1 YPJom2bmcbAtK4ApissmJTUnsyy1SN8ugSuja+I35oJW1oqzN1+yNjB+YO5i5OCQEDCRuL3M qouRE8gUk7hwbz1bFyMXh5DAPkaJY3d+MEM4Gxglfn27wwjhnGCSaLw/nw2khVlAS+LGv5dM IDavgLHEmlvvWECmCgONOtwlC2KyCcgATdUAqeAUsJV4N3MRM4jNIqAqMXXBFUaIKdoSyxa+ ZoaYYiWxc/0hJohV1xklTk5eBDZeBOjQlW/Os0JcKi/R8vUO2wRGgVlIrpiF5IpZSOYuYGRe xSibklulm5uYmVOcmqxbnJyYl5dapGuol5tZopeaUrqJERSinJI8OxjfHFQ6xCjAwajEw+vh scJPiDWxrLgy9xCjJAeTkijv0nqgEF9SfkplRmJxRnxRaU5q8SFGCQ5mJRHeBT5AOd6UxMqq 1KJ8mJQ0B4uSOO/BHQ5+QgLpiSWp2ampBalFMFkZDg4lCd5skKGCRanpqRVpmTklCGkmDk6Q 4TxAwyeD1PAWFyTmFmemQ+RPMepyPLnw4ySjEEtefl6qlDhvJUiRAEhRRmke3BxYannFKA70 ljDvFJAqHmBagpv0CmgJE9ASZfalIEtKEhFSUg2M01d7lU3p3Kd17InC8eDdvxu0neysLCUy /RfIfs28wR3nG/15yW+ZwqL3ry9O3LEvzneywouaFOPsTXnLPO2ueUzaz9+7qYQ5eMEmCfYU lm/NjAef5jU2N7PecHpe6/FtknNCxI7n1SJXX50VdnWock6Uis9/8ehQWeG91QdS X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 18.9.25.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:145606 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80426 Archived-At: On Oct 26, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Drew Adams wrote: > This is nothing but a regression - reporting a bug with `emacs > -Q' has never been a problem in past releases. Why burden and confuse = users > now? I have personally seen dozens, of emacs bug reports sitting stuck in = local mail queues, with the user having no idea that the bug never made = it beyond the local workstation. =20 I am not the only one to report this kind of problem.=20 This type of configuration is (as near as we can tell) at least as = common now than it was then. This has been mentioned several times in the various discussion threads. *Chad