From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 'grischka' <grishka@gmx.de>,
'Stefan Monnier' <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The window-pub branch
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 17:57:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CFE6786.7010705@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0AC0EE7C394E4356B0D6A3E25A26B470@us.oracle.com>
> A clear bug? Why?
Because the doc-string of `select-window' says that "Most editing will
apply to WINDOW's buffer" and that of `selected-window' says "The
selected window is the window ... to which many commands apply".
Moreover the modeline of the *scratch* window indicates that the window
is selected (which is completely disconcerting when the two frames do
not overlap) while input goes to the other frame.
Admittedly, the doc-string of `select-frame' says that "If you are using
a window system, the previously selected frame may be restored as the
selected frame when returning to the command loop, because it still may
have the window system's input focus.". But I cannot give a frame input
focus every time I select a window. Hence I have to rely on the command
loop to tell the window manager that the selected window's frame should
get focus.
Due to this behavior `display-buffer', when popping up a new frame, has
to select that frame although by design it should not change the
selected window. Also, due to this bug `display-buffer-other-frame'
never worked as Richard intended.
> Yes, Lisp evaluation can have side effects, but AFAIK this behavior for `M-:'
> was intentional. `M-:' was meant to evaluate a sexp in a one-off operation, but
> keep the input focus etc. where it was. I think it has behaved this way since
> Day One, and the behavior makes sense, to me at least.
>
> IMO this has nothing to do with your surrounding window discussion; this part is
> only about the interactive behavior of command `eval-expression'.
>
> (But I admit that I don't even use `eval-expression' for `M-:' - I use
> `pp-eval-expression' instead (or something similar) for `M-:'.)
The problem is within the interaction between Emacs and the window
manager. It does not depend on M-:.
martin
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Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-18 17:54 The window-pub branch grischka
2010-11-18 18:48 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-18 21:29 ` grischka
2010-11-19 8:00 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-19 13:38 ` grischka
2010-11-19 14:44 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-19 16:45 ` grischka
2010-11-20 9:19 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-20 14:43 ` grischka
2010-11-20 18:03 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-20 21:15 ` grischka
2010-11-21 9:49 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-21 13:34 ` grischka
2010-11-21 17:51 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-21 20:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-22 9:40 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-22 11:17 ` grischka
2010-11-22 11:27 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-22 11:43 ` grischka
2010-11-22 14:06 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-22 16:18 ` grischka
2010-11-22 17:30 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-22 19:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-23 7:40 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-23 14:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-23 15:30 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-22 16:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-22 17:30 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-22 19:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-23 7:41 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-23 14:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-23 15:31 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-23 16:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-23 17:18 ` martin rudalics
2010-12-04 18:10 ` grischka
2010-12-05 11:44 ` martin rudalics
2010-12-05 20:27 ` grischka
2010-12-06 9:23 ` martin rudalics
2010-12-06 17:43 ` grischka
2010-12-06 19:41 ` martin rudalics
2010-12-06 22:43 ` grischka
2010-12-06 23:05 ` Drew Adams
2010-12-07 7:23 ` grischka
2010-12-07 7:16 ` grischka
2011-01-09 19:50 ` martin rudalics
2010-12-07 8:18 ` martin rudalics
2010-12-07 15:38 ` Drew Adams
2010-12-07 16:38 ` grischka
2010-12-07 17:11 ` Drew Adams
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2010-12-07 17:43 ` Drew Adams
2010-12-07 17:56 ` martin rudalics
2010-12-07 18:21 ` Drew Adams
2010-11-22 21:34 ` Customizations and diff-list " Tom Breton (Tehom)
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2010-11-14 12:51 ` The window-pub branch (was Re: bug#7381: 24.0.50; Provide a hook run when a window is selected) Štěpán Němec
2010-11-14 18:59 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-14 20:55 ` The window-pub branch Štěpán Němec
2010-11-15 8:00 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-15 12:14 ` Štěpán Němec
2010-11-15 13:42 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-15 15:44 ` Štěpán Němec
2010-11-15 17:01 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-15 19:46 ` Štěpán Němec
2010-11-16 16:56 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-16 21:13 ` Štěpán Němec
2010-11-17 8:00 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-17 12:05 ` Štěpán Němec
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