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From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 'grischka' <grishka@gmx.de>,
	'Stefan Monnier' <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The window-pub branch
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 17:57:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CFE6786.7010705@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0AC0EE7C394E4356B0D6A3E25A26B470@us.oracle.com>

 > A clear bug?  Why?

Because the doc-string of `select-window' says that "Most editing will
apply to WINDOW's buffer" and that of `selected-window' says "The
selected window is the window ... to which many commands apply".

Moreover the modeline of the *scratch* window indicates that the window
is selected (which is completely disconcerting when the two frames do
not overlap) while input goes to the other frame.

Admittedly, the doc-string of `select-frame' says that "If you are using
a window system, the previously selected frame may be restored as the
selected frame when returning to the command loop, because it still may
have the window system's input focus.".  But I cannot give a frame input
focus every time I select a window.  Hence I have to rely on the command
loop to tell the window manager that the selected window's frame should
get focus.

Due to this behavior `display-buffer', when popping up a new frame, has
to select that frame although by design it should not change the
selected window.  Also, due to this bug `display-buffer-other-frame'
never worked as Richard intended.

 > Yes, Lisp evaluation can have side effects, but AFAIK this behavior for `M-:'
 > was intentional.  `M-:' was meant to evaluate a sexp in a one-off operation, but
 > keep the input focus etc. where it was.  I think it has behaved this way since
 > Day One, and the behavior makes sense, to me at least.
 >
 > IMO this has nothing to do with your surrounding window discussion; this part is
 > only about the interactive behavior of command `eval-expression'.
 >
 > (But I admit that I don't even use `eval-expression' for `M-:' - I use
 > `pp-eval-expression' instead (or something similar) for `M-:'.)

The problem is within the interaction between Emacs and the window
manager.  It does not depend on M-:.

martin



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-12-07 16:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-18 17:54 The window-pub branch grischka
2010-11-18 18:48 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-18 21:29   ` grischka
2010-11-19  8:00     ` martin rudalics
2010-11-19 13:38       ` grischka
2010-11-19 14:44         ` martin rudalics
2010-11-19 16:45           ` grischka
2010-11-20  9:19             ` martin rudalics
2010-11-20 14:43               ` grischka
2010-11-20 18:03                 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-20 21:15                   ` grischka
2010-11-21  9:49                     ` martin rudalics
2010-11-21 13:34                       ` grischka
2010-11-21 17:51                         ` martin rudalics
2010-11-21 20:29                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-22  9:40                             ` martin rudalics
2010-11-22 11:17                               ` grischka
2010-11-22 11:27                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-22 11:43                                   ` grischka
2010-11-22 14:06                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-11-22 16:18                                       ` grischka
2010-11-22 17:30                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-11-22 19:43                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-23  7:40                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-11-23 14:30                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-23 15:30                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-22 16:44                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-22 17:30                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-11-22 19:45                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-23  7:41                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-11-23 14:36                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-23 15:31                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-23 16:25                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-23 17:18                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-12-04 18:10                                                       ` grischka
2010-12-05 11:44                                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-12-05 20:27                                                           ` grischka
2010-12-06  9:23                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-12-06 17:43                                                               ` grischka
2010-12-06 19:41                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-12-06 22:43                                                                   ` grischka
2010-12-06 23:05                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2010-12-07  7:23                                                                       ` grischka
2010-12-07  7:16                                                                     ` grischka
2011-01-09 19:50                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2010-12-07  8:18                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-12-07 15:38                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2010-12-07 16:38                                                                         ` grischka
2010-12-07 17:11                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2010-12-07 16:57                                                                         ` martin rudalics [this message]
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2010-12-07 17:43                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2010-12-07 17:56                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-12-07 18:21                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2010-11-22 21:34                               ` Customizations and diff-list " Tom Breton (Tehom)
2010-11-23  7:42                                 ` martin rudalics
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2010-11-14 12:51                           ` The window-pub branch (was Re: bug#7381: 24.0.50; Provide a hook run when a window is selected) Štěpán Němec
2010-11-14 18:59                             ` martin rudalics
2010-11-14 20:55                               ` The window-pub branch Štěpán Němec
2010-11-15  8:00                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-15 12:14                                   ` Štěpán Němec
2010-11-15 13:42                                     ` martin rudalics
2010-11-15 15:44                                       ` Štěpán Němec
2010-11-15 17:01                                         ` martin rudalics
2010-11-15 19:46                                           ` Štěpán Němec
2010-11-16 16:56                                             ` martin rudalics
2010-11-16 21:13                                               ` Štěpán Němec
2010-11-17  8:00                                                 ` martin rudalics
2010-11-17 12:05                                                   ` Štěpán Němec

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