csharp-mode in Emacs git master - a personal list of gratitude and thanks

csharp-mode in Emacs git master - a personal list of gratitude and thanks

[Jostein Kjønigsen]

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Hey everyone!

After years and years as a third-party mode, I'm absolutely stoked to 
see (a) csharp-mode finally mainlined into Emacs.

Sorry about the "long form" for this email, but for me this completes an 
8 year journey as the "main" semi-lone steward of the Emacs C# project, 
and for me this feels very much like a very personal project finally 
finding a new, proper home.

That we are here today is a big achievement, and I really want to call 
out everyone I know and remember who helped us get here.

First of all I want to thank *Dylan R. E. Moonfire* for the original 
csharp-mode implementantation. This is where it all started, way back. 
Thanks Dylan!

I also want to thank *Dino Chiesa* who kept maintaining it for several 
years, until around 2011.

In 2014 when Emacs 24.4 was released, the old code broke and I took over 
as a new maintainer. In that regard, I want to thank everyone who helped 
me out fixing and improving csharp-mode. Contributions big and small: 
They were all welcome and appreciated!

For that early period I want to extend a special thanks to *Vasailij 
Schneidermann* (or perhaps you know him as wasamasa). He was always 
eager to help and provided much needed support. As far as I can tell, he 
wasn't just there for me. He was there for the entire Emacs-community 
and seemingly still is. A hero and living legend!

I also want to thank *Alan MacKenzie* for his never endring patience 
when we were stuck in some cc-mode troubles we couldn't dig ourselves 
out of and when we were using cc-mode in undocumented ways we shouldn't 
be doing. Clearly a gentleman of the olde school. You have my utmost 
respects!

*Yuan Fu* obviously deserves a great big thanks, for making it possible 
to land our new tree-sitter based implementation, which currently is the 
one I feel closest attached to as of now. As such I really also should 
mention *Tuấn-Anh Nguyễn*, who really pioneered getting tree-sitter and 
Emacs being into being one thing, before this was even considered 
possible to do in Emacs core, prior to Yuan Fu's efforts.

But a particular, special thanks goes out to a single individual who 
over the last few years have helped csharp-mode in ways and amounts I 
didn't imagine possible.

Listing up "only" his major contributions to csharp-mode still makes for 
a long list. This person contributed by among other things:

  * creating a new clean-room cc-mode based implementation, which could
    replace the old one, fixed bugs and now made it possible to even
    consider mainlining it into Emacs core, for the benefit of all
    Emacs-users.
  * for being one of the first Emacs-users out there trying out getting
    tree-sitter based major-modes in Emacs a real thing. He authored the
    first tree-sitter-based Emacs-mode I know of.
  * for pushing me into trying to make a new csharp-mode based on Yuan
    Fu's tree-sitter work in Emacs core, and then further improving on it.
  * for working closely with everyone in Emacs-devel to make sure our
    latest work was up to the standards you guys expect, and making sure
    it could eventually get merged.

I'm ofcourse talking about *Theodor Thornhill*.

Theodor: You better believe I'm taking this merge as an early 
Christmas-present! Thank you for having the ambition and drive I lacked 
after years of "maintenance-mode" maintainership!

*Stefan Monnier* deserves an honest mention too. He helped us land this, 
just likes he helps everyone else. Thanks Stefan!

So...

While it may no longer be "my" csharp-mode nor "my" community 
maintaining it, I still definitely want to keep it close and will try to 
provide patches and improvements when I can.

Rumour has it Theoder isn't writing that much C# any more (while I do), 
so feel free to email me if you have issues or suggestions. I'll try to 
stay around :)

-- 
Kind regards
*Jostein Kjønigsen*

jostein@kjonigsen.net 🍵 jostein@gmail.com
https://jostein.kjønigsen.no <https://jostein.kjønigsen.no>

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Re: csharp-mode in Emacs git master - a personal list of gratitude and thanks

[Theodor Thornhill]

> Hey everyone!

Hi Jostein!

>
> After years and years as a third-party mode, I'm absolutely stoked to 
> see (a) csharp-mode finally mainlined into Emacs.
>
> Sorry about the "long form" for this email, but for me this completes an 
> 8 year journey as the "main" semi-lone steward of the Emacs C# project, 
> and for me this feels very much like a very personal project finally 
> finding a new, proper home.
>
> That we are here today is a big achievement, and I really want to call 
> out everyone I know and remember who helped us get here.
>

I concur!  Thanks all for keeping it alive for so long :-)

>
> Listing up "only" his major contributions to csharp-mode still makes for 
> a long list. This person contributed by among other things:
>
>   * creating a new clean-room cc-mode based implementation, which could
>     replace the old one, fixed bugs and now made it possible to even
>     consider mainlining it into Emacs core, for the benefit of all
>     Emacs-users.
>   * for being one of the first Emacs-users out there trying out getting
>     tree-sitter based major-modes in Emacs a real thing. He authored the
>     first tree-sitter-based Emacs-mode I know of.
>   * for pushing me into trying to make a new csharp-mode based on Yuan
>     Fu's tree-sitter work in Emacs core, and then further improving on it.
>   * for working closely with everyone in Emacs-devel to make sure our
>     latest work was up to the standards you guys expect, and making sure
>     it could eventually get merged.
>
> I'm ofcourse talking about *Theodor Thornhill*.
>
> Theodor: You better believe I'm taking this merge as an early 
> Christmas-present! Thank you for having the ambition and drive I lacked 
> after years of "maintenance-mode" maintainership!
>

You are way too kind!  Thank _you_ for being patient with my
neck-breaking shenanigans :)

> While it may no longer be "my" csharp-mode nor "my" community 
> maintaining it, I still definitely want to keep it close and will try to 
> provide patches and improvements when I can.
>
> Rumour has it Theoder isn't writing that much C# any more (while I do), 
> so feel free to email me if you have issues or suggestions. I'll try to 
> stay around :)
>

I hope we both will for some time to come :)

Re: csharp-mode in Emacs git master - a personal list of gratitude and thanks

[dino chiesa]

Whoo-hoo!

Kudos and sincere thanks for all the work you all have put into this mode! 

-DC


> On Nov 25, 2022, at 1:22 PM, Theodor Thornhill <theo@thornhill.no> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Hey everyone!
> 
> Hi Jostein!
> 
>> 
>> After years and years as a third-party mode, I'm absolutely stoked to 
>> see (a) csharp-mode finally mainlined into Emacs.
>> 
>> Sorry about the "long form" for this email, but for me this completes an 
>> 8 year journey as the "main" semi-lone steward of the Emacs C# project, 
>> and for me this feels very much like a very personal project finally 
>> finding a new, proper home.
>> 
>> That we are here today is a big achievement, and I really want to call 
>> out everyone I know and remember who helped us get here.
>> 
> 
> I concur!  Thanks all for keeping it alive for so long :-)
> 
>> 
>> Listing up "only" his major contributions to csharp-mode still makes for 
>> a long list. This person contributed by among other things:
>> 
>>  * creating a new clean-room cc-mode based implementation, which could
>>    replace the old one, fixed bugs and now made it possible to even
>>    consider mainlining it into Emacs core, for the benefit of all
>>    Emacs-users.
>>  * for being one of the first Emacs-users out there trying out getting
>>    tree-sitter based major-modes in Emacs a real thing. He authored the
>>    first tree-sitter-based Emacs-mode I know of.
>>  * for pushing me into trying to make a new csharp-mode based on Yuan
>>    Fu's tree-sitter work in Emacs core, and then further improving on it.
>>  * for working closely with everyone in Emacs-devel to make sure our
>>    latest work was up to the standards you guys expect, and making sure
>>    it could eventually get merged.
>> 
>> I'm ofcourse talking about *Theodor Thornhill*.
>> 
>> Theodor: You better believe I'm taking this merge as an early 
>> Christmas-present! Thank you for having the ambition and drive I lacked 
>> after years of "maintenance-mode" maintainership!
>> 
> 
> You are way too kind!  Thank _you_ for being patient with my
> neck-breaking shenanigans :)
> 
>> While it may no longer be "my" csharp-mode nor "my" community 
>> maintaining it, I still definitely want to keep it close and will try to 
>> provide patches and improvements when I can.
>> 
>> Rumour has it Theoder isn't writing that much C# any more (while I do), 
>> so feel free to email me if you have issues or suggestions. I'll try to 
>> stay around :)
>> 
> 
> I hope we both will for some time to come :)

Re: csharp-mode in Emacs git master - a personal list of gratitude and thanks

[Dylan Moonfire]

I have to thank everyone who continued on when I was unable to keep 
going and took it places I was unable to follow. Thank you so very much 
from the bottom of my hearts. You made my day.

~ Dylan

On 11/25/22 17:53, dino chiesa wrote:
> Kudos and sincere thanks for all the work you all have put into this mode!
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2022, at 1:22 PM, Theodor Thornhill <theo@thornhill.no> wrote:
>> Hi Jostein!
>>
>>> After years and years as a third-party mode, I'm absolutely stoked to
>>> see (a) csharp-mode finally mainlined into Emacs.
>>>
>>> Sorry about the "long form" for this email, but for me this completes an
>>> 8 year journey as the "main" semi-lone steward of the Emacs C# project,
>>> and for me this feels very much like a very personal project finally
>>> finding a new, proper home.
>>>
>>> That we are here today is a big achievement, and I really want to call
>>> out everyone I know and remember who helped us get here.

Re: csharp-mode in Emacs git master - a personal list of gratitude and thanks

[Yuan Fu]

> On Nov 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Jostein Kjønigsen <jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net> wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone!
> 
> After years and years as a third-party mode, I'm absolutely stoked to see (a) csharp-mode finally mainlined into Emacs.
> 
> Sorry about the "long form" for this email, but for me this completes an 8 year journey as the "main" semi-lone steward of the Emacs C# project, and for me this feels very much like a very personal project finally finding a new, proper home.
> 
> That we are here today is a big achievement, and I really want to call out everyone I know and remember who helped us get here.
> 
> First of all I want to thank Dylan R. E. Moonfire for the original csharp-mode implementantation. This is where it all started, way back. Thanks Dylan!
> 
> I also want to thank Dino Chiesa who kept maintaining it for several years, until around 2011.
> 
> In 2014 when Emacs 24.4 was released, the old code broke and I took over as a new maintainer. In that regard, I want to thank everyone who helped me out fixing and improving csharp-mode. Contributions big and small: They were all welcome and appreciated!
> 
> For that early period I want to extend a special thanks to Vasailij Schneidermann (or perhaps you know him as wasamasa). He was always eager to help and provided much needed support. As far as I can tell, he wasn't just there for me. He was there for the entire Emacs-community and seemingly still is. A hero and living legend!
> 
> I also want to thank Alan MacKenzie for his never endring patience when we were stuck in some cc-mode troubles we couldn't dig ourselves out of and when we were using cc-mode in undocumented ways we shouldn't be doing. Clearly a gentleman of the olde school. You have my utmost respects!
> 
> Yuan Fu obviously deserves a great big thanks, for making it possible to land our new tree-sitter based implementation, which currently is the one I feel closest attached to as of now. As such I really also should mention Tuấn-Anh Nguyễn, who really pioneered getting tree-sitter and Emacs being into being one thing, before this was even considered possible to do in Emacs core, prior to Yuan Fu's efforts.
> 
> 
> But a particular, special thanks goes out to a single individual who over the last few years have helped csharp-mode in ways and amounts I didn't imagine possible. 
> Listing up "only" his major contributions to csharp-mode still makes for a long list. This person contributed by among other things:
> 
> 	• creating a new clean-room cc-mode based implementation, which could replace the old one, fixed bugs and now made it possible to even consider mainlining it into Emacs core, for the benefit of all Emacs-users.
> 	• for being one of the first Emacs-users out there trying out getting tree-sitter based major-modes in Emacs a real thing. He authored the first tree-sitter-based Emacs-mode I know of.
> 	• for pushing me into trying to make a new csharp-mode based on Yuan Fu's tree-sitter work in Emacs core, and then further improving on it.
> 	• for working closely with everyone in Emacs-devel to make sure our latest work was up to the standards you guys expect, and making sure it could eventually get merged.
> I'm ofcourse talking about Theodor Thornhill.
> 
> Theodor: You better believe I'm taking this merge as an early Christmas-present! Thank you for having the ambition and drive I lacked after years of "maintenance-mode" maintainership!
> 
> Stefan Monnier deserves an honest mention too. He helped us land this, just likes he helps everyone else. Thanks Stefan!
> 
> So...
> 
> While it may no longer be "my" csharp-mode nor "my" community maintaining it, I still definitely want to keep it close and will try to provide patches and improvements when I can.
> 
> Rumour has it Theoder isn't writing that much C# any more (while I do), so feel free to email me if you have issues or suggestions. I'll try to stay around :)

It is very moving to read your words of such genuine passion and kindness. Indeed, the community is the real treasure we have, and I’m only grateful :-)

Yuan