From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David De La Harpe Golden Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Selection changes in revno 100822 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:33:31 +0100 Message-ID: <4C6719BB.1060407@harpegolden.net> References: <834oeyv3ww.fsf@gnu.org> <87mxsqyp98.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83zkwptyij.fsf@gnu.org> <4C66660D.3090603@swipnet.se> <83sk2htp82.fsf@gnu.org> <4C66A8C5.4040203@harpegolden.net> <83hbixte8c.fsf@gnu.org> <4C66D081.908@harpegolden.net> <838w48u9fg.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281825225 13387 80.91.229.12 (14 Aug 2010 22:33:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 22:33:45 +0000 (UTC) To: Eli Zaretskii , Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 15 00:33:44 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkPIN-0004vY-OG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 00:33:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50150 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OkPIN-0003Gt-4j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:33:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42747 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OkPIH-0003GJ-5C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:33:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkPIG-0005aE-2F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:33:37 -0400 Original-Received: from harpegolden.net ([65.99.215.13]:58726) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkPIE-0005Zw-M2; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:33:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [87.198.55.170] (87-198-55-170.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.55.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "David De La Harpe Golden", Issuer "David De La Harpe Golden Personal CA rev 3" (verified OK)) by harpegolden.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F98B68454; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:33:29 +0100 (IST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100620 Icedove/3.0.5 In-Reply-To: <838w48u9fg.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128709 Archived-At: On 14/08/10 23:16, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Does this mean I have no way of pasting from the primary selection > without using a mouse? Yes, no way*, but x11 users don't generally expect to be able to. * apart from the awkward keyboard mouse emulation, and actually some x11 apps provide separate "paste" and "paste selection" menu options, which may be accessible via keyboard menu access. >>> Why do we need a separate variable for the clipboard on w32? why not >>> reuse select-active-regions? >> >> Why have the same setting do such grossly different things on different >> platforms? > > Because that makes users' life easier (less customizations when > switching platforms; can use the same .emacs without lots of > system-type conditionals, etc.). Nonsense, it means MORE customisations with MORE system-type conditionals. I'd have to have different settings on w32 to prevent my clipboard being eaten suddenly when I select text. Not that I use w32 by choice. Also, the emulated primary mechanism in emacs already worked intra-session on w32, it's only in an inter-session context it doesn't work. I don't really care so much so long as x11 isn't broken, but the idea your way makes .emacs more portable rather than less is absurd.