From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The copyright issue Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:28:17 +0200 Message-ID: <4C601081.1030007@online.de> References: <19546.32875.515000.117266@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19549.44879.848292.639521@rgr.rgrjr.com> <19549.49818.270000.981978@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19549.61887.613440.141458@rgr.rgrjr.com> <4C5FE9A9.70101@online.de> <87lj8g6il9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281364183 32529 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2010 14:29:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:29:43 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 09 16:29:41 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiTMA-0006X1-GE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:29:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50797 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OiTM9-0001S4-OQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:29:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59830 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OiTM3-0001Rr-0z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:29:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiTM1-0000p8-O8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:29:30 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.10]:59014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiTM1-0000ol-Ar for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:29:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.27] (brln-4db9ef13.pool.mediaWays.net [77.185.239.19]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lv6ko-1Os41d0LIo-00zfFB; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:29:27 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 In-Reply-To: <87lj8g6il9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:YgWZ3DdxVBYja8TKrtdnWT6NWn+kQWA8FLL74M/XZjB gW4B4zuQGV81mVLb9xMhalpYGhLVis+ffXWxwjrNkt6BCURbtc dASvKKj0Cw6cnZVpQ7bIKk/PRQF4CTQRQtdqrnZW4iVKOvxi6z 2KzVfMpSNUHGS4ovorSi98argy1714LywBC1ydewtEVVosf7ME vRJdiN5PY8QdfgM03hIxmP9pE1pqmCnvvsqUb8TygY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128477 Archived-At: Am 09.08.2010 15:06, schrieb David Kastrup: > Andreas Röhler writes: > > >> Am 09.08.2010 12:01, schrieb Richard Stallman: >> >>> The main reason our lawyer gave when advising us to ask for copyright >>> assignments is so that the copyright status of the program is simple. >>> He said that would help us in court if we need to sue someone for >>> violating the GPL. >>> >>> We can make an exception occasionally when it is very important >>> but we should not make many exceptions. >>> >> The crux is: this policy puts the risk at the weakest shoulders, at >> the contributors. >> > No, it _takes_ the task of suing for compliance from the shoulders of > the contributors. > > Freedom is not a tool to sue. That's a mistake. >> Please consider: adversaires of free software will not ignore this, >> will not miss the point. >> > Adversaries of free software will notice when the legal position of the > FSF is weak. I have no idea what "point" you are trying to make. > > >> BTW we have a prominent example in Germany already, how a career and >> social existence of an free softtware activist might be ruined. >> >> His name is Jörg Tauss. He was a member of the Parliament, the >> Bundestag. Inside Germany as in Europe Jörg Tauss took action against >> software patents. >> > The accusation is acquisition and possession of child pornography. If > you consider this in any way connected with copyright assignment > policies, you are just crazy. It may be loosely connected with freedom > of information and privacy, but that's utterly, utterly unrelated to the > topic of discussion. So please get a grip and use, if at all, examples > that have anything to do with the point you are trying to make. > > Defending free software means defending freedom of information also. Jörg Taus did both. The case of Jörg Tauss has been used to pervert legislation. Until then Art. 19 of Universal Declaration of Human Rights from December 10, 1948, was respected et least in theory: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Shortly before Jörg Tauss was sentenced, legislation was changed, making already of possession of information, i.e. pictures of a crime, a crime itself. Notably Jörg Tauss as Member of Parliament opposed that new law before, tried to check himself whats behind the child-porn-campaign. He felt fooled by services, assumed getting wrong informations at the real issue and purposes. He was the speaker of his parliaments group in just this IT-, freedom of information related matters. FSFE should know his name from Patent- and other FSF-related matters very well.