From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A more modest proposal (Was: Emacs learning curve) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:19:35 +0200 Message-ID: <4C495EA7.1000001@swipnet.se> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpa7uu1e.fsf@kanis.fr> <877hkv2hco.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iq4e593w.fsf@kanis.fr> <87lj9ayp2f.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4C493433.4010709@censorshipresearch.org> <4C4942B0.3040405@swipnet.se> <4C494377.7030801@censorshipresearch.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279876792 13408 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2010 09:19:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , Emacs development discussions To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 23 11:19:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcEQ1-00067d-PZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:19:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51106 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcEQ0-0004dq-Lv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 05:19:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59323 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcEPs-0004dl-3F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 05:19:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcEPq-0004zd-V0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 05:19:39 -0400 Original-Received: from smtprelay-h22.telenor.se ([195.54.99.197]:42880) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcEPq-0004xW-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 05:19:38 -0400 Original-Received: from ipb3.telenor.se (ipb3.telenor.se [195.54.127.166]) by smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B76E8AE9 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:19:36 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.225.45.35] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArY6ACb7SExV4S0jPGdsb2JhbACHcpdzDAEBAQE1LcB7hTYE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.55,246,1278280800"; d="scan'208";a="551734324" Original-Received: from c-232de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.35]) by ipb3.telenor.se with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2010 11:19:36 +0200 Original-Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C171B7FA05A; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:19:35 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100713 Thunderbird/3.1.1 In-Reply-To: <4C494377.7030801@censorshipresearch.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127685 Archived-At: Daniel Colascione skrev 2010-07-23 09.23: > On 7/23/10 12:20 AM, Jan Dj=E4rv wrote: >> There may not be a keyboard command for minimizing the window. > > And for some bizarre shells, you may have to send SIGSTOP to an > application to suspend it; but most environments are reasonable; > likewise for windowing systems. > >> C-z is >> so much faster than reaching for the mouse when you are typing. > > But minimizing Emacs means you've *stopped* typing. :-) ... and moved on to another frame or application to continue typing there= . Jan D.