From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs, QT and Cairo Was: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:36:12 +0200 Message-ID: <4C40523C.7020406@swipnet.se> References: <4C400D10.1080808@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279283795 21648 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2010 12:36:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: fplemma@gmail.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Bernardo Barros , Stephen Eilert , acm@muc.de, "Stephen J. Turnbull" , miles@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, John Yates To: "Andrew W. Nosenko" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 16 14:36:32 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZk9U-0001mz-IP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:36:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45170 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZk9T-0003zr-V6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:36:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=39738 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZk9N-0003zf-KE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:36:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZk9J-00046d-KF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:36:21 -0400 Original-Received: from smtprelay-b11.telenor.se ([62.127.194.20]:47056) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZk9H-00046E-9b; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:36:15 -0400 Original-Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-b11.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C35EA07E; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:36:13 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.225.45.35] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ajc4AEvvP0xV4S0jPGdsb2JhbACfaAwBAQEBNS2+LoUkBIQg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.55,214,1278280800"; d="scan'208";a="106227667" Original-Received: from c-232de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.35]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2010 14:36:13 +0200 Original-Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C513D7FA05A; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:36:12 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100608 Thunderbird/3.1 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127430 Archived-At: Andrew W. Nosenko skrev 2010-07-16 12.24: > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:41, Jan Dj=E4rv wrote: >> >> >> Andrew W. Nosenko skrev 2010-07-16 01.15: >>> >>> Yet another example: scrollbars. I remember discussions where better >>> to place them by default. But I don't remember anyone who pointed >>> that position of scrollbars controlled by and desktop environment and >>> gtkrc (GTK+ semi-analog of xrdb). Where scrollbar should be? -- >>> there where the rest of of desktop places it and controlled from the >>> place where the rest of desktop controlled. Of course it may and >>> should be able to be customized on per-application basis and Emacs >>> here far ahead of the rest. But... But why speaking about scrollbar >>> on the right vs. scrollbar on the left [by default] no one mentioned >>> third possibility: the desktop default setting? >> >> AFAIK, there is no desktop setting for scroll bar placements in GNOME,= or by >> theme. > > Exists since GTK+ 2.10 > > http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkSettings.html#GtkSe= ttings--gtk-scrolled-window-placement > > For set it by hand, for example, for place vertical scrollbar to the > left by default you may add following line to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 > > gtk-scrolled-window-placement =3D top-right > This only applies to GtkScrolledWindow according to the documentation: "Specifies which corner a child widget should be placed in when packed in= to a=20 GtkScrolledWindow.". And there is no Gnome preference panel way to set it. But we could use i= t I=20 guess. Jan D.