From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Clipboard interactions Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:59:54 +0200 Message-ID: <4C3B4A0A.1040900@swipnet.se> References: <10954D02-E217-49F3-8824-757DA34074AB@gmail.com> <83zkxzakr0.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqyva8ms.fsf@gnu.org> <87630n6odf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <874og670l0.fsf@gmx.de> <87k4p257ho.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87fwzqyn4j.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87fwzp627r.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87pqysitfq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278954009 17725 80.91.229.12 (12 Jul 2010 17:00:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , Sebastian Rose , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Tom , Miles Bader To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 12 19:00:07 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYMMP-0002tc-SD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:00:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50634 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYMMP-0007gn-2t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:00:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=44778 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYMMI-0007eO-6M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:59:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYMMH-0000Pw-70 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:59:58 -0400 Original-Received: from smtprelay-b12.telenor.se ([62.127.194.21]:50454) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYMMG-0000Pg-UU; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:59:57 -0400 Original-Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A034E9649; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:59:55 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.225.45.35] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsRDAGbnOkxV4S0jPGdsb2JhbACHb5hQDAEBAQE1LcAShScE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.55,189,1278280800"; d="scan'208";a="104233338" Original-Received: from c-232de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.35]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2010 18:59:54 +0200 Original-Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3416C7FA05A; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:59:54 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100608 Thunderbird/3.1 In-Reply-To: <87pqysitfq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127108 Archived-At: If we are talking about copy/paste of text from Emacs, Xt would not enter in to it. AFAIK, the only place where Motif may be involved in Emacs is copy/paste in the file dialog. All selection code in Emacs is plain X. Jan D. Stephen J. Turnbull skrev 2010-07-12 17.57: > Miles Bader writes: > > > Why not turn it on by default then? > > XEmacs avoids it in the case of Motif (probably not relevant?) because > the Motif clipboard ownership protocol involves an insane number of > roundtrips if implemented properly, and is noticeably slow over even a > megabit connection due to latency. > > There are also some cases for Xt over the network where use of the > clipboard can be very slow. These are rarer, but the demand for > clipboard-style interaction has never been very high, except on > Windows where it is the default anyway. > > So yes, even in a modern network environment clipboard interaction can > be slow. However, if there's any demand for that style of > interaction, it may be worth making clipboard interaction the default > and telling users who are in environments where they perceive the > interaction to be slow to turn it off.