From: David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
Emacs-Devel devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Add function to make frame topmost?
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:32:14 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BDB5A6E.5060803@harpegolden.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvljc44qc0.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
Stefan:
>
> I see, thanks. I don't know if there's a word for such things
> under X11 (I guess we should ask the freedesktop guys).
Not affiliated with freedesktop as such, just familiar with specs:
ITYM "Always on top" or "above other windows", or technically asking
that _NET_WM_STATE include _NET_WM_STATE_ABOVE
N.B. For "normal" windows (such as ordinary emacs frames), this is
something usually configured by the user via the window manager's menu,
setting it within emacs for normal frames would not be something I would
particularly want or need to do, though possible (*** below), and
setting it for special framey things is not AFAIK a good idea (following):
http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#STACKINGORDER
[lennart]
> My use case for something like this is reminders that pops up at a
> certain times.
Note that X11 apps (or more usually the gui toolkit the app uses)
specify the purpose of the window in higher-level terms
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE, like "this is a tooltip", "this is a notification"
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_TOOLTIP, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NOTIFICATION
etc.
The window manager then places it in the appropriate stacking group,
among other things:
"""
This property SHOULD be used by the window manager in determining the
decoration, stacking position and other behavior of the window.
"""
The greater diversity in window management on X11 than windoze
makes observing such things pretty important - "this is a notification"
may make a whole lot more sense to a tiling wm than "above plz k thx".
Please note that abusing _NET_WM_STATE for attention purposes is
specifically highlighted as a What Not To Do in the spec:
"""
_NET_WM_STATE_ABOVE and _NET_WM_STATE_BELOW are mainly meant for user
preferences and should not be used by applications e.g. for drawing
attention to their dialogs (the Urgency hint should be used in that
case, see the section called “Urgency”).'
"""
***
One can certainly do this from within emacs as per the spec (note you
do this for mapped windows by sending a client message to the root
window). Note however, that window managers may refuse an app's request
to be always on top.
(defun x-toggle-frame-always-on-top (&optional frame)
(x-send-client-message
frame 0 frame "_NET_WM_STATE" 32
;; _NET_WM_STATE_REMOVE = 0
;; _NET_WM_STATE_ADD = 1
;; _NET_WM_STATE_TOGGLE = 2
'(2 "_NET_WM_STATE_ABOVE" 0 1)))
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-04-30 22:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-30 1:48 Add function to make frame topmost? Lennart Borgman
2010-04-30 13:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-30 13:26 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-30 20:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-30 22:02 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-30 22:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01 8:00 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-30 22:32 ` David De La Harpe Golden [this message]
2010-04-30 23:22 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01 1:48 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 2:06 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01 13:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-01 18:03 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 20:20 ` Drew Adams
2010-05-01 22:02 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 22:09 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 14:07 ` Drew Adams
2010-05-02 15:27 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 15:58 ` stack-order (z-order) parameter for frames [was: Add function to make frame topmost?] Drew Adams
2010-05-01 22:44 ` Add function to make frame topmost? Lennart Borgman
2010-05-02 1:18 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 7:47 ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-02 12:52 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 7:27 ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-02 12:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-02 12:53 ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-02 13:44 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-03 3:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-02 14:43 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 14:48 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-02 14:55 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 16:48 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 18:58 ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-02 21:32 ` Desktop bubble notifications [Was: Re: Add function to make frame topmost?] David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-03 0:19 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03 2:29 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-03 19:46 ` Stephen Eilert
2010-05-03 19:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-04 11:48 ` Desktop bubble notifications Bastien
2010-05-02 19:17 ` Add function to make frame topmost? chad
2010-05-03 3:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-02 14:01 ` Drew Adams
2010-05-02 15:06 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03 3:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-05-03 9:59 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03 17:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-03 19:50 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03 21:31 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-02 0:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-05-02 1:17 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 2:10 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 2:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01 3:49 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-03 16:39 ` Tom Tromey
2010-05-03 19:33 ` systray support [was: Re: Add function to make frame topmost?] Dan Nicolaescu
2010-05-01 3:19 ` Add function to make frame topmost? David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 8:28 ` Jan Djärv
2010-05-01 19:46 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-05-01 22:46 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-05-01 5:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-05-03 12:47 ` Lennart Borgman
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