From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Native scrollbars? Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:40:49 +0100 Message-ID: <4B76ABE1.7000904@swipnet.se> References: <87ljffx7zr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87bpg90x1s.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B7605BF.10404@harpegolden.net> <873a15x02e.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bpftldc6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4B7699A9.2090100@swipnet.se> <87wryhjob5.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010204090601050605000404" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1266068586 29458 80.91.229.12 (13 Feb 2010 13:43:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 13 14:43:04 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NgIFp-00033q-P1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:42:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58939 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NgIFN-0005He-0B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:41:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NgIF4-0005AG-Sp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:41:02 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34327 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NgIF3-00058z-Ln for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:41:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NgIF1-0004bk-Q6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:41:00 -0500 Original-Received: from proxy1.bredband.net ([195.54.101.71]:36768) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NgIEt-0004ap-4Y; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:40:51 -0500 Original-Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (195.54.127.164) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4B62ECEA00950FF5; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:40:50 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhpYAEI6dktV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACFfYFbjCCHJQwBAQEBNy66YIRbBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,466,1262559600"; d="png'150?scan'150,208,150";a="36780412" Original-Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 13 Feb 2010 14:40:50 +0100 Original-Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AF37FA01A; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:40:49 +0100 (CET) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) In-Reply-To: <87wryhjob5.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121103 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010204090601050605000404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable David Kastrup skrev: > Jan Dj=E4rv writes: >=20 >> David Kastrup skrev: >> >>> Toolkit native scrollbars are the default with Emacs. They don't ann= oy >>> a lot of users apparently. Probably also because the geek demographi= c >>> of Emacs is different from that of XEmacs. >>> >> IMHO, the XEmacs Lucid scroll bars look much better than Emacs native >> scrollbars. I think that may be a factor also. >=20 > I was of the opinion that both used the same code (Lucid), so it would > probably just be a matter of the default settings. >=20 > Personally, I use >=20 > (setq-default scroll-bar-width 15) >=20 I don't think I have any settings that affects this. I attach a screen sh= ot of=20 lucid scroll bars in XEmacs (left) and Emacs (right). The difference is=20 apparent. It could possibly be fixed by some X resource setting, I haven= 't tried. Anyway, the Emacs native scroll bar isn't based on Lucid, and looks much = worse. 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