From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas Roehler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: simplifying beginning-of-defun Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:26:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4ABF3DCB.3060602@online.de> References: <4ABE54F9.7090107@online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1254047278 2007 80.91.229.12 (27 Sep 2009 10:27:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: XEmacs-Beta@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 27 12:27:51 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Mrqyt-0003Md-21 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:27:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45060 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mrqys-0001qt-4F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:27:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mrqyi-0001qo-2X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:27:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mrqyc-0001qc-EX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:27:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57817 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mrqyc-0001qZ-4J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:27:34 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.177]:52283) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mrqyb-0003jq-ES for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:27:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.27] (p54BE8561.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.190.133.97]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MbcQr-1N88wR1hht-00J1YK; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:27:32 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20081227) In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18b4XmQQ/bpq0wus3Xe+0lMLjXXdlJOwnPRedM gua8lfgYQF9eMUHMSS6JT2xK2cVpeM1Qp/0IUcGynYbZZrUyfH ayO4DXNLQ6KMAdbo2NdBuvxgwouxQu5 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:115685 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:30584 Archived-At: ... > any argument. So your code wouldn't be acceptable as is since it would > likely break several packages. > ... Hi Stefan, reflecting this question a little bit further: as expressive settings of `push-mark' are removed, some functions while rely upon and fail then. However, `push-mark' is a very basic and considerable editing command. If a function needs it, it should implement it at place. Suggest keeping things apart: move functions should move, not deliver a hair-cut. :) If more is needed, another function should take over than. All-at-once essays create complexity and never ending bugs finally. So far, think simplifying is worthwhile on the longer run. Andreas -- https://code.launchpad.net/s-x-emacs-werkstatt/ http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~a-roehler/python-mode/python-mode.el/