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From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: Emacs-Devel devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: moving window handling into lisp
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:40:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A8E95A3.5040604@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e01d8a50908201608i9b088dap90cec77b36595a09@mail.gmail.com>

 >>> The algorithm computes level by level in the second pass (ie on its
 >>> way down) how the windows should be sized. So you have the sizes for
 >>> all windows on that level at once.
 >> I still don't understand what a "level" is.
 >
 > All children to a window are on the same level.

So you want a routine to set the sizes of all children of a window?
What would you want to pass to that routine?  A list?

 > Do I understand you right, do you say: These should set the size
 > without any checking.

The new size of one window.  Applying the new sizes of all windows is
done transactionally, all at once (or none at all if there's a failure).

 > You can make a lisp copy of the configuration. This copy should
 > contain just the info needed to compute the new sizes. If you want the
 > sizes after deletion then just do not include the window you want to
 > delete in the copy.

And who does delete the window _and_ resize the remaining ones?

 > I guessed there must be some pointer (in a general sense) for each
 > frame to the root window. I do not know the actual implementation, but
 > I just glanced at it. Unfortunately it takes some time for me to read
 > C so I guess a little. I can see there is a Lisp_Object called
 > root_window in struct frame. This is the pointer I am talking about.
 >
 > My question (and suggestion) to you is this: Would it be possible to
 > temporarily replace the frames root_window with a new window when the
 > frame size gets so small that the window configuration does not fit?
 > Whether this is easy (or perhaps even possible) is of course dependent
 > on the details in this implementation.
 >
 > It depends on for example on how drawing of windows are done. Is
 > drawing of a frame something that starts from the frame and then goes
 > down to look at the windows? Or does the windows live a life on their
 > on in this regard? I have assumed the former when I suggested to just
 > swap the roor_window pointer. You know more about the implementation
 > details and can probably give a better answer.

It would get us into hell's kitchen to just swap some pointers.  The
more so because you want redisplay to happen in between.  What do you
think window-configurations have been invented for?

 > You seem to suggest that it would be hard to understand for the user.
 > In that case, why?

Because at the time the window-manager shrinks my Emacs frame I usually
want to work with some other application.

 >> You do undelete all the time.  It's completely transparent.
 >
 > How can it be transparent if windows disappears and reappears? I must
 > be misunderstanding you somehow...

There might be no redisplay in between.

 >>> - size-0 windows in a case like this would be the same.
 >> Many applications do that.
 >
 > Can you explain how you mean?

In many applications (Thunderbird is one of them) I can make subwindows
disappear completely by dragging one of their borders and make them
reappear later by dragging on the border where they disappeared.

martin




  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-21 12:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-27  8:32 moving window handling into lisp Miles Bader
2009-07-27 13:37 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 13:41   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 13:45     ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 13:58       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 14:35         ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 14:41           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 15:02             ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 15:28               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 16:52                 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 16:58                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 18:18                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-28  7:38                     ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28  9:39                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-28 12:25                         ` martin rudalics
     [not found]                           ` <e01d8a50907280532kcff2d1w15567a430668a502@mail.gmail.com>
2009-07-28 13:23                             ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 13:44                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-29  9:04                                 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 13:47                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-28 14:11                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-29  9:05                         ` martin rudalics
2009-07-29 14:05                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-01  2:20                             ` Miles Bader
2009-08-03 21:29                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11  9:18                             ` martin rudalics
2009-08-11 19:16                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11 19:29                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12  8:57                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-08-12  9:02                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 13:33                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-08-12 15:57                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 17:05                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-08-12 19:39                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 21:10                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13  9:55                                                 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-13  9:57                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 10:25                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 11:32                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 12:49                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 13:56                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-08-13 16:43                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 18:07                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14  1:13                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-14  7:18                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14 11:21                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-14 13:21                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-08-12  8:56                                 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-13  2:32                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-13  9:54                                     ` martin rudalics
2009-08-13 17:00                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-13 18:09                                         ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14  1:47                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-14  7:17                                             ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14  6:42                                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-14  7:18                                         ` martin rudalics
2009-08-14 20:56                                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-15 10:12                                             ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 19:47                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-14 15:39                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-14 15:42                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-14 18:26                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-15 10:12                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 11:02                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-15 12:44                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 13:35                                                 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-15 13:39                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-15 16:11                                                     ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 16:19                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-15 17:37                                                         ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 18:18                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 10:25                                                             ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 11:14                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 12:12                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-16 12:19                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 15:17                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 16:15                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2009-08-16 19:24                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 12:17                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 12:26                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 15:18                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 19:05                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-16 10:26                                                             ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 11:16                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 12:17                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 12:29                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 15:18                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 14:49                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-16 15:31                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 16:28                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-16 19:25                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 15:07                                                   ` Jan Djärv
2009-08-15 15:38                                                     ` David Kastrup
2009-08-15 16:07                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 18:21                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-16 10:25                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-08-15 19:51                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-16 10:26                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 11:18                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-16 12:17                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-08-16 12:30                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-27 14:00   ` Miles Bader
2009-07-27 14:36     ` martin rudalics
     [not found] ` <4A87F8B8.6050102@gmx.at>
     [not found]   ` <e01d8a50908160523r12216cffm34060d2793943785@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <4A882312.6020106@gmx.at>
     [not found]       ` <e01d8a50908191816p2d9e978dw6aa0623c79dd8699@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <4A8D12B3.6070502@gmx.at>
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     [not found]                 ` <4A8D66D5.3000600@gmx.at>
2009-08-20 15:41                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-20 18:15                     ` martin rudalics
2009-08-20 23:08                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-21 12:40                         ` martin rudalics [this message]
2009-08-21 13:58                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-22 11:00                             ` martin rudalics
2009-08-22 13:45                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-22 14:17                                 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-21 19:34                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22 11:01                         ` martin rudalics
2009-08-21  0:19                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-21 12:40                       ` martin rudalics
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-08-17 19:06 grischka
2009-08-18  7:13 ` martin rudalics
2009-08-18 11:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-19  9:15   ` grischka
2009-08-19 12:45     ` martin rudalics
2009-08-20 11:45       ` grischka
2009-08-20 12:51         ` martin rudalics
2009-08-20 13:05           ` David Kastrup
2009-08-20 15:08             ` martin rudalics
2009-08-20 19:35           ` grischka
2009-08-21 12:22             ` martin rudalics
2009-08-21 19:32               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22  4:55                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-23  1:01                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-24 13:10               ` grischka
2009-08-19 13:01     ` Lennart Borgman

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