From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 14:12:37 +0900 Message-ID: <4A6876DD-FA30-425C-AAC1-0F77AADAAF22@traduction-libre.org> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <86blno9yle.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87d0845msg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h7xgjasw.fsf@yahoo.com> <875zdwjais.fsf@yahoo.com> <6a198677-41b6-4dbd-39d0-2b01550d53cf@yandex.ru> <875zdv9jf3.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y2qqwzan.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="83540"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 20 07:24:45 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQOvE-000Ldq-RP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 07:24:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57598 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQOvC-0007Rr-U9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 01:24:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50888 helo=eggs1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQOjw-0006Xd-QM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 01:13:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs1p.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQOjo-00087I-QW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 01:12:57 -0400 Original-Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:36045) by eggs1p.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQOjn-0007vK-BL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 01:12:56 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.53.235.90 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.13] (pl12634.ag0304.nttpc.ne.jp [128.53.235.90]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A13CC1C0004 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 05:12:39 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87y2qqwzan.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.197; envelope-from=jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org; helo=relay5-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs1p.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/20 01:12:41 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.70.183.197 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247364 Archived-At: > On Apr 20, 2020, at 13:34, Po Lu wrote: >=20 > It would still be nice if we had a way for making Emacs easier for > today's lazy people to learn though. It is not that they are lazy, just like people who use a machine to do = their laundry instead of doing it by hand, they use tools that have been = developed without the historical constraints of Emacs. Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune