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From: chad <yandros@MIT.EDU>
To: "emacs-devel@gnu.org developers" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Rename `eww' to `web'
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:53:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49DAC44C-3FFE-43D8-835C-F04686B0C705@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51D04E33.8000008@yandex.ru>

There's a lot of debate about respecting developers, making things
easier for users, and preserving the fun of quirky names here, but
it seems to me that most of it might be missing the goal in favor
of arguing about potential details (and potential details of
potentially related but different topics).

Richard's goal (as I understand it) is making sure that users can
find important features in Emacs, not to enshrine or take over any
particular piece of code. For browsing the web inside emacs, there
are at least 4 packages: emacs-w3, emacs-w3m, emacs-web, and now/soon
Lars' new eww. These are all more and less hidden from straightforward
user behavior like `look through the menus', `try obvious command
names' and `internet search engine'.

I think most of us agree that emacs should have an easily-guessable
and -remembered command name for this functionality, and that `M-x
eww' might not  be it. This doesn't mean that we need to rename any
of the four packages above, but rather that we need to provide an
intuitive entry point. Emacs itself already provides such an entry
point, in browse-url.

We should make sure that browse-url works with eww - this is already
being done.

We might also want to discuss whether or not `M-x browse-url' is
itself the best choice of name for an intuitive entry point.

We should add a menu-bar entry for whatever name we decide to use
for browse-url above.

I hope this helps,
~Chad




  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-30 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<E1Usw6G-0001Et-0A@fencepost.gnu.org>
2013-06-29 15:05 ` Rename `eww' to `web' Drew Adams
2013-06-29 15:15   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-06-29 20:30     ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 20:45       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-06-29 21:33       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-29 21:42         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-06-29 21:48           ` Bastien
2013-06-29 23:01             ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30  6:36               ` Bastien
2013-06-30 10:30                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-06-30  2:49             ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30  2:49         ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30  3:01           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-30 13:40             ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30 15:26               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-30 17:53                 ` chad [this message]
2013-06-30 18:21                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-30 19:04                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-30  5:54         ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-29 23:30       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30  7:56         ` Jan Djärv
2013-06-30  9:18           ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30 10:04             ` Jan Djärv
2013-07-01  2:03     ` Miles Bader
2013-06-29 20:30   ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 20:52     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-06-30  2:49       ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]   ` <<E1Ut1mo-0004ns-A6@fencepost.gnu.org>
2013-06-29 20:40     ` Drew Adams
2013-06-30  2:49       ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]       ` <<E1Ut7hQ-0000Eq-Tt@fencepost.gnu.org>
2013-06-30  3:23         ` Drew Adams
2013-06-30 13:40           ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 14:26 Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 15:33 ` Daimrod
2013-06-29 20:30   ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30  1:45     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-30  2:35       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-29 23:20   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30  5:49 ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-30 13:40   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-01 12:57     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-03  8:29       ` Miles Bader
2013-07-03 16:09         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-03 16:22           ` Glenn Morris
2013-07-03 19:57             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-03 22:50               ` Tim Cross
2013-07-04  0:24                 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-04  1:43                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-04  1:58                     ` chad
2013-07-04  5:11                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-07-04 15:09                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-04 23:36                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04  3:16                     ` Drew Adams
2013-07-04 23:36                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-05  2:19                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04 18:49                 ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04 19:15                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-04 21:08                     ` Mathias Dahl
2013-07-04 21:58                       ` Drew Adams
2013-07-05  2:50                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04 22:41                     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-04 23:45                       ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-05 23:41                         ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-05 23:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-06  3:26                             ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-04 23:40                     ` Glenn Morris
2013-07-05  1:14                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 10:23                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 11:50                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 12:59                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 22:38                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 23:37                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-06  0:44                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 23:29                             ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-05 23:43                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 23:55                                 ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-06  0:11                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-06  0:42                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-06 22:00                                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-05  0:04                     ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-05  5:37                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-05 17:19                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-07  0:24                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-07  0:55                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-04 22:53                   ` Josh
2013-07-05 17:20                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04  0:06           ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04  1:51             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-04  7:30               ` Andreas Schwab
2013-07-04  2:09             ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2013-07-04  2:17               ` Glenn Morris
2013-07-04  3:44                 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2013-07-04  4:10                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04  4:48                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-07-05  3:23                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04  9:55                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-04 15:04                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-05 11:02                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 18:03                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-06  0:14                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-06  4:28                               ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-06  5:28                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-06  9:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-04 14:28                     ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2013-07-04 15:08                       ` Stephen Berman
2013-07-04 22:35                         ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-06 20:02                           ` Stephen Berman
2013-07-05  3:04                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04 23:36                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04 15:08                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-06 15:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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