From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Box graphic tweak Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:34:05 -0700 Message-ID: <49AEB9D768C84AADAD221D9DBE22E44B@us.oracle.com> References: <878w29jmg5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83fwwhnjxe.fsf@gnu.org><87y6a8wzsj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87hbgwn56q.fsf@catnip.gol.com><8739sg81un.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1287031391 17471 80.91.229.12 (14 Oct 2010 04:43:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 04:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Kenichi Handa'" , "'Chong Yidong'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 14 06:43:08 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P6Feh-0006xD-Cr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 06:43:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42124 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P6Feg-0002hO-GY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 00:43:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34900 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P6FeL-0002UQ-FI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 00:42:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P6FWY-0007P2-Bf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 00:34:39 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:21938) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P6FWX-0007Oh-8W; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 00:34:37 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o9E4YTdv023985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Oct 2010 04:34:32 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o9E3Ila5026663; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 04:34:28 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt014.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 682206881287030848; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:34:08 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.228.122) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:34:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: ActrVz0BGY9yC02vScal3JYq11/JcQAAJ8Og X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131687 Archived-At: > > The default mode-line has width 1, so it's unaffected. Setting the > > width to 2, the result still also looks reasonable; see attached. > > ??? The default box's line-width of mode-line is -1 to make the > height of the mode-line the same as the other default lines. And I tried to stress that a setting of -1 is important, and that users need to be able to adjust whatever new boxing features we might add: d> More importantly, such an appearance difference should in any d> case be under user control - just as users can today control d> the box outline width and even whether it extends outside the d> char size or within it (using a negative width). It must d> not be forced. d> d> IOW, if you would like to make such a feature available to d> users, great, but it should be as optional as the other `box' d> attributes. d> d> (The ability to use a negative box width is important, BTW, d> and your new feature should not force a boxed char to always d> be larger than a normal char - there needs to be some way to d> control the overall size. No response to that. I still don't know whether and how much users will be able to control this. All that was said was that this feature gives us a new default appearance.