From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David De La Harpe Golden Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 23.0 is much slower starting than Emacs 22.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:46:51 +0100 Message-ID: <48FF58FB.6000302@harpegolden.net> References: <20081022091136.GB924@muc.de> <20081022151444.GE924@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1224694060 26024 80.91.229.12 (22 Oct 2008 16:47:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:47:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 22 18:48:41 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ksgsh-0000Wt-7P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:48:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39495 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ksgra-00054x-U2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:47:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KsgrX-00054e-Fk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:47:11 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KsgrS-00052r-HE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:47:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41564 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KsgrS-00052o-C2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:47:06 -0400 Original-Received: from harpegolden.net ([65.99.215.13]:59106) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KsgrR-0002YQ-I1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:47:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [87.198.54.44] (87-198-54-44.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.54.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "David De La Harpe Golden", Issuer "David De La Harpe Golden Personal CA rev 3" (verified OK)) by harpegolden.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E48F8088; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:46:57 +0100 (IST) User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081018) In-Reply-To: <20081022151444.GE924@muc.de> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:104849 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> I have an extremely medium speed processor (Athlon 1.2 GHz) and, at >>> the moment, a well-padded .emacs.desktop. > >>> Starting Emacs 22.3 takes 23 seconds. >>> Starting Emacs 23.0 takes 38 seconds. > > The above times were on tty's. Trying it on X-Windows, there was no > difference (or, at most, 1 or 2 seconds longer). > >> Stefan > FWIW, I'd find your emacs22 time pretty unacceptable, never mind the emacs23 one, even on a 1.2GHz-class machine. Are a lot of people putting up with that sort of start time? Ouch. Of course it could be an emacs bug triggered on your system and not mine, but I kinda wonder: is it only emacs or is everything slow? Is it only slow to start or slow to update the display and whatnot? Makes me think you might have a local system issue causing an I/O bottleneck, is all, maybe no DMA on your HDD, or your system's low on RAM and is already swapping or something. On my admittedly higher-end newish multicore (but each core is only ~ 2GHz and emacs isn't parallelized...) gnu+linux system, emacs23 takes 1 to 2 seconds to start, including the ridiculous happy-dance across the screen the initial X11 frame does (known-bug afaik), and I thought it was getting a bit sluggish (whenever an app start time is > 1 sec I start to notice and get irritated), but I put it down to the happy-dancing. With a .emacs.desktop of 100 random .el files from the emacs source tree, start time was 2 to 3 seconds. Iceweasel takes 2 to 3 secs and oowriter (probably the bloatiest thing I have installed) 11 secs ?