From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yesterdays observation of lower left fringe Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:47:16 +0200 Message-ID: <48D939B4.1040505@gmail.com> References: <48D45225.8010900@gmail.com> <48D92F6D.1040904@harpegolden.net> <48D93120.4030308@gmail.com> <48D938E0.3010001@harpegolden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222195662 30446 80.91.229.12 (23 Sep 2008 18:47:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel To: David De La Harpe Golden Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 23 20:48:38 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KiCw6-0008To-Ps for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:48:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59874 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KiCv4-0004wa-TL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:47:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KiCuz-0004uq-Ad for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:47:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KiCuw-0004sg-U1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:47:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43512 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KiCuw-0004sd-MY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:47:22 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]:49352) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KiCuw-0005h0-EN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:47:22 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-87.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.87]:60713 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KiCut-0002bo-93; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:47:20 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <48D938E0.3010001@harpegolden.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080923-0, 2008-09-23), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.87 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KiCut-0002bo-93. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KiCut-0002bo-93 c203b8032c09d5fe5ca6bc61f3ba198b X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:104067 Archived-At: David De La Harpe Golden wrote: > Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > >> If the last line has an ending newline char then place the fringe symbol >> one line down (and let it be the same symbol). What about that? >> >> > That would make the normal case where there is a terminating newline > present*, kind of ugly IMO. I'd agree that the upper right symbol is > a bit wierd, but better use a different symbol when there's no final > newline, maybe something like |... , not move a line down IMO. i.e. a > dotted horizontal bar on the "L" because the line hasn't been terminated > yet. If we think of the ending newline as terminating the line then maybe using a lower right corner for that and a lower left corner for the "unterminated" line would be "more mnemonic". > * Technically, a bit like C vs. Pascal ';', most programs treat "\n" as > a line terminator, some as a line separator. Having the fringe marker > move another line down for a present final newline would make more sense > if newline were considered a separator, as programs observing that > convention might think there was a new, empty line if the last line in > the file had a newline at the end. But AFAIK considering it a > terminator is far more common than separator. > > > >