From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: An Emacs plug-in for a browser (Firefox?) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:46:21 -0700 Message-ID: <48C59D2D.1050201@emf.net> References: <48C0FC53.4020806@gmail.com> <6fa54e4e0809050420i5132ace5red5a011b69ecd1ed@mail.gmail.com> <8763p795cq.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87iqt6q0na.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <6fa54e4e0809081007l68f1df2ei71450cf3483f2d17@mail.gmail.com> <48C5778F.2020203@emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220907317 25394 80.91.229.12 (8 Sep 2008 20:55:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, pmr@pajato.com, Chong Yidong , lennart.borgman@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Antoine Levitt , raman@users.sourceforge.net, phil@shellarchive.co.uk To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 08 22:56:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KcnmM-0004WO-Ri for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:56:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40268 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KcnlN-0006hy-0Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:55:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kcnkv-0006PC-T4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:54:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kcnku-0006Mp-6z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:54:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52893 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kcnkt-0006Ml-SC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:54:39 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp151.sat.emailsrvr.com ([66.216.121.151]:43883) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Kcnkt-0000hX-Ja for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:54:39 -0400 Original-Received: from relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1268924B65D; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: lord-AT-emf.net) with ESMTP id B632824A627; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:54:33 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) In-Reply-To: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103706 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Emacs has the concept that two windows can look at the same buffer. >> > [....] > > But it doesn't matter that much in practice: people will just have to > live with the limitation, but it doesn't make the idea unusable. > I didn't mean to claim otherwise. It will be, as RMS put it, a kludge (and a pandora's box of hassles). It won't succeed at seamlessly integrating browser windows into Emacs window management from a user perspective (so it fails at the goal -- i.e., won't work). In all seriousness, people interested in that vision of the future that includes things like browsing but with Emacs-style windows might want to work not on the problem of how to embed stuff in Emacs but on the problems of how to have multiple views of a single web page. > You won't get some of the power you usually expect from Emacs, but then > again, you never had this power in Firefox anyway, so it's not like you > lost anything. > Certainly but RMS is right when he describes it as a kludge and likely an endless source of problems (because when a thing doesn't and can't ever work "quite right" there is a constant pressure to "fix" it, no matter how many times it has been "fixed" before). -t > > Stefan > >