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From: Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, pmr@pajato.com, Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>,
	lennart.borgman@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	Antoine Levitt <smeuuh@gmail.com>,
	raman@users.sourceforge.net, phil@shellarchive.co.uk
Subject: Re: An Emacs plug-in for a browser (Firefox?)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:46:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48C59D2D.1050201@emf.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvabeis7ly.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Emacs has the concept that two windows can look at the same buffer.
>>     
> [....]
>
> But it doesn't matter that much in practice: people will just have to
> live with the limitation, but it doesn't make the idea unusable.  
>   

I didn't mean to claim otherwise.

It will be, as RMS put it, a kludge (and a pandora's box of hassles).

It won't succeed at seamlessly integrating browser windows into Emacs
window management from a user perspective (so it fails at the goal -- i.e.,
won't work).

In all seriousness, people interested in that vision of the future
that includes things like browsing but with Emacs-style windows
might want to work not on the problem of how to embed stuff
in Emacs but on the problems of how to have multiple views
of a single web page.



> You won't get some of the power you usually expect from Emacs, but then
> again, you never had this power in Firefox anyway, so it's not like you
> lost anything.
>   

Certainly but RMS is right when he describes it as a kludge
and likely an endless source of problems (because when a thing
doesn't and can't ever work "quite right" there is a constant
pressure to "fix" it, no matter how many times it has been
"fixed" before).

-t


>
>         Stefan
>
>   





  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-08 21:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-04 22:18 An Emacs plug-in for a browser (Firefox?) Paul Michael Reilly
2008-09-05  0:16 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-09-05  0:19 ` David House
2008-09-05  2:42 ` T. V. Raman
2008-09-05  4:53   ` Paul Michael Reilly
2008-09-05  6:44     ` joakim
2008-09-05  8:53       ` Phil Jackson
2008-09-05  9:21         ` joakim
2008-09-05  9:30           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-05 11:20             ` Antoine Levitt
2008-09-06  7:12               ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-06 10:48                 ` Antoine Levitt
2008-09-06 21:04                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-06 21:36                     ` David Hansen
2008-09-06 21:49                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-06 22:25                         ` David Hansen
2008-09-06 22:48                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-06 23:08                             ` David Hansen
2008-09-06 22:41                       ` Sean O'Rourke
2008-09-07 23:36                       ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-06 16:42                 ` Chong Yidong
2008-09-06 16:58                   ` joakim
2008-09-06 19:42                     ` Chong Yidong
2008-09-06 20:20                     ` David Hansen
2008-09-06 21:54                   ` T. V. Raman
2008-09-06 20:11                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-07 17:39                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-07 17:49                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-07 18:29                     ` Chong Yidong
2008-09-08  9:22                       ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-08 12:31                         ` Chong Yidong
2008-09-08 17:07                           ` Antoine Levitt
2008-09-08 19:05                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-09-08 19:07                               ` Antoine Levitt
2008-09-08 20:27                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-09-08 20:34                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-08 21:33                                 ` joakim
2008-09-08 21:46                                 ` Thomas Lord [this message]
2008-09-09  8:11                               ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-08 22:13                           ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-07 19:55                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-08  9:22                       ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-05 13:33         ` T. V. Raman
2008-09-05 13:32     ` T. V. Raman
2008-09-05 20:40   ` Christian Faulhammer

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