From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32? Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:40:01 +0200 Message-ID: <48B9B021.20402@gmail.com> References: <48B7288E.3040503@gmail.com> <87wshzpszz.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <48B85518.3000208@gmail.com> <87d4jqq33q.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <48B94038.5070501@gmail.com> <87tzd2ocpw.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <48B95210.5070704@gmail.com> <87prnqo837.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220128818 12898 80.91.229.12 (30 Aug 2008 20:40:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel To: Johannes Weiner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 30 22:41:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KZXFv-0000TU-OL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:41:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51387 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZXEw-0004z9-WC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:40:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZXEs-0004wy-GS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:40:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZXEr-0004u6-32 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:40:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47228 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZXEq-0004ty-OA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:40:04 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:35934) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KZXEq-0001Ez-IJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:40:04 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-87.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.87]:62065 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KZXEo-00031y-61; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:40:03 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <87prnqo837.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080830-0, 2008-08-30), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.87 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KZXEo-00031y-61. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KZXEo-00031y-61 6554589d2e9f32391edb4bf39372d8cd X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103275 Archived-At: Johannes Weiner wrote: >>> My only wish is that whatever fix will result from this thread is >>> nothing that changes the default behaviour for the main bulk of dired >>> users that are used to it and can cope. >> >> That is fair though I personally want it the other way round. Those who >> can cope should cope (if I may stretch your words a bit). > > I see that the main bulk of people using computers is more and more > getting away from understanding the tools they use and the tools > accomodate to that to become more and more simple to use intuitively and > with more mechanisms that protect ignorant users from their own actions. > > But in this process they lose power. Do you really lose power if the default is better for people that are new comers to Emacs?