From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:11:13 -0700 Message-ID: <48B2E7B1.2000502@emf.net> References: <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <48A740CB.4050404@emf.net> <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818210927.GD2615@muc.de> <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ljytkwpk.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <878wusz0v9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87vdxp27z6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87prnxe5hc.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <873aktck5d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k5e5dsvq.fsf@rattlesnake.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219681359 19702 80.91.229.12 (25 Aug 2008 16:22:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Robert J. Chassell" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 25 18:23:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KXepJ-00029w-3l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:21:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48186 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KXeoK-0006ML-PD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:20:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KXeoG-0006M6-TC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:20:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KXeoC-0006Ke-AS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:20:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40317 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KXeoC-0006Kb-76 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:20:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.42inc.com ([205.149.0.25]:34016) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (SSL 3.0:RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KXeoC-0007k4-7A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:20:48 -0400 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.5 X-TFF-CGPSA-Filter-42inc: Scanned X-42-Virus-Scanned: by 42 Antivirus -- Found to be clean. Original-Received: from [69.236.75.128] (account lord@emf.net HELO [192.168.1.64]) by mail.42inc.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 37612208; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:20:32 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) In-Reply-To: <87k5e5dsvq.fsf@rattlesnake.com> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102958 Archived-At: It's kind of amazing to watch how the defense of the dynamic loader ban has evolved. First a philosophically dubious distinction between individual and community freedom is posited. Then that questionable distinction is projected onto people's moral standing: we are asked to believe that there are those who care only about individual freedom, not community, and asked to accept that those people are just morally wrong. Then members of the community at hand are singled out and tarred and feathered as examples of the miscreants who care not about community freedom. In particular, anyone who argues against the FUD that leads to a dynamic loader ban is now naive or bad or in some way or is otherwise morally defective for failing to display proper concern for "community freedom". What Bob and others seem to have constructed here is an argument for the dynamic loader ban that can be summed up: Only bad people argue against the dynamic loader ban. Therefore, the ban is a good idea. -t