From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:22:42 +0200 Message-ID: <488AECE2.9090705@gmail.com> References: <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <48861A51.1090401@gmail.com> <20080724080727.GA3448@muc.de> <863alzd1mi.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20080726080304.GA1419@muc.de> <85myk53u86.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217064232 3631 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 09:23:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 11:24:40 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMg10-0004oE-V4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:24:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58821 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMg06-0004hg-F5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:23:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMg00-0004hY-Gb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:23:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMfzy-0004hA-KH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:23:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34769 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMfzy-0004h7-F3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:23:34 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:45101) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMfzp-0005uQ-Bf; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:23:25 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:62359 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KMfzn-0008C7-3u; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:23:23 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <85myk53u86.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080725-1, 2008-07-25), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KMfzn-0008C7-3u. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KMfzn-0008C7-3u d484ed8cbdb825967332849e75e71fd7 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101508 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: >> My impression is that a substantial minority, possibly even a >> majority, of Emacs users run on this particular non-free OS, and that >> the cost of supporting them is low by comparison. > > The cost is that they don't care about using or improving free systems. I think there is a good bit of psychology involved there because I believe you can not generally come to that conclusion without a certain view of how people decide what to do. Different people make their decisions in different ways. There are people who in some situations when pressured take a decision in the direction towards which they are pressured. That is well known. Milgram's experiment is an extreme example of that. What is propably less well know is that psychological experiments and thinking points to that people who are what they call authoritarian in their view of other people more often believe that pressure is the (only) way to get people to do things. Perhaps it is easy to be lead to the conclusion that pressure is necessary. For some actions it is but are the actions and thinking we want really of this type?