From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:24:10 +0200 Message-ID: <488641EA.6080808@gmail.com> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <87ej5nxew2.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884DA4F.20203@gmail.com> <8763qzxcfd.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884E551.3050304@gmail.com> <86fxq2j1af.fsf@timbral.net> <4885977B.6090700@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216758303 617 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 20:25:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: thorne@timbral.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jason Rumney To: ams@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 22:25:52 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLOQh-0004DL-EM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:25:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44047 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLOPl-0006oe-Hk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:24:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLOPb-0006nA-4i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:24:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLOPX-0006kK-7a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:24:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58112 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLOPX-0006kG-27 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:24:39 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:44462) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLOPH-00027K-8A; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:24:24 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:62867 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KLOPC-0003Vm-5A; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:24:18 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080722-1, 2008-07-22), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-ACL-Warn: Too high rate of unknown addresses received from you X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KLOPC-0003Vm-5A. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KLOPC-0003Vm-5A efdbea0d4dc9ec42bf6b6e977d5d7af5 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101244 Archived-At: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > I presented (in this thread I believe) some of my > > arguments about why to care about w32 too in my reply to > > RMS about a portable mini-bash. I might be wrong, my > > arguments might be bad, but I tried to give some > > arguments. > > > > I don't know much about it, but isn't that what MinGW is > > supposed to provide? > > I think Lennart's suggestion is about a having a small POSIX shell > that can be bundled with Emacs (and other programs) to use on > systems that do not have a POSIX shell by default. MinGW/MSYS is an > external dependency which means an extra thing to go wrong for > users. > > I do think this idea presents a chicken and egg problem though - > the shell is needed by configure, but will not be available until > it has been built by a bootstrap. > > Exactly, wouldn't it be just easier to request the user to install > whatever POSIX shell that is required in INSTALL or similar? There is a POSIX shell for w32, but I do not think that interact well with normal w32 command line programs. Is there anyone who knows something about that?