From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:04:36 +0200 Message-ID: <48845124.60805@gmail.com> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807111217m66d6cf4el777c197c107ce034@mail.gmail.com> <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4883A1E4.4010502@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216631164 17835 80.91.229.12 (21 Jul 2008 09:06:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, lord@emf.net, drobinow@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 21 11:06:52 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KKrM0-0003uq-C4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:06:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42960 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKrL6-0006XR-3A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:05:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKrK8-0006Go-GT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:04:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKrK7-0006Fh-Gl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:04:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49113 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKrK7-0006Fb-8o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:04:51 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:52451) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KKrK0-0006Pg-6A; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:04:44 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-145-59.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.145.59]:64795 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KKrJy-000807-3M; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:04:42 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080720-0, 2008-07-20), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.145.59 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KKrJy-000807-3M. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KKrJy-000807-3M 752f807f8124f46c0dc0cce05999e634 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101059 Archived-At: Richard M Stallman wrote: > Something like a portable mini-bash (with more limited capabilities) > that runs also on w32 and could be used together with w32 programs would > perhaps make this better. > > It would be a shame for people that care about free software to spend > time implementing free software specifically to run on Windows. Are you sure? What are your arguments? Why can't this be a benefit for free software? As David pointed out this would not be specific to w32. It would rather be a tool that we could rely on that we could use everywhere. IMO relevant tools that are cross-platform can help free software. One reason is that we can rely on that they work. Another reason is that we can more easily find people who understand those tools. The last argument is important since most programmers are forced to work on w32 in their daily work. If we can give them tools they can use there then they can more easily contribute to free software during their free time. I also believe that cross platform knowledge creates new ideas that can be really good for free software. It looks to me there are not that many people who both know w32 and GNU/Linux in depth. Cross platform tools will help those who wants to get such knowledge.