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From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: johan.myreen@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: An anonymous IRC user's opinion
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 22:12:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4864104c-cb23-4356-ad89-2fea111db66c@gutov.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8634jnt5e3.fsf@gnu.org>

On 19/11/2024 21:01, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 19:56:05 +0200
>> Cc: johan.myreen@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
>>
>>> Wasn't the idea that the user will tell us which files she wants to
>>> visit in each mode?
>>
>> I think we talked about making the option more granular (allowing to set
>> it not just to t, but to a list of modes). That will be easy to add.
>>
>> But specifying the files as well is news to me. Wouldn't users who want
>> that level of detail just go and customize auto-mode-alist instead?
> 
> Maybe so, but that is not always easy nor user-friendly: getting the
> regexps right is not trivial, many people make mistakes.

Even if that's true, I'm not sure what workflow you have in mind. My 
goal here is to fix the problem of ts modes installing themselves into 
auto-mode-alist (and major-mode-remap-defaults) haphazardly, with 
associated problems like https://debbugs.gnu.org/74339#38, for example.

If editing regexp directly is a difficulty, we could either add some 
helpers in the Customize interface, or a command which would prompt for 
mode, for file extension(s), and then customize auto-mode-alist based on 
that. But that's not specific to tree-sitter modes, and not a 
replacement for the current setup.

> And I
> thought this discussion at some point mentioned that Emacs should
> suggest a mode for the file being visited? in which case specifying
> the file is trivial.

Philip K. has proposed a package package-autosuggest - which is 
something that approaches similar needs from an opposite direction 
(providing automatic suggestions when the user visit a file which is 
currently not supported but could be after installing a package or doing 
some extra customization). A totally valid approach - and well-tested by 
the likes of VS Code.

I haven't tested that branch myself yet, and it seems to come with a 
bunch of UI decisions, so it's a bigger endeavor.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-19 20:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-06  7:32 An anonymous IRC user's opinion Abraham S.A.H. via Emacs development discussions.
2024-10-06  8:10 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06  8:44 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-06  9:01   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06  9:09   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06  9:32   ` Abraham S.A.H. via Emacs development discussions.
2024-10-06 11:28     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-06 13:10       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06 12:55     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-09  3:29       ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-09 20:20         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-10  8:57           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-09  3:30   ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-09  6:48     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-09 20:22       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-09 11:09     ` Johan Myréen
2024-10-09 13:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-09 13:38         ` tomas
2024-10-09 16:02         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-09 16:22           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-09 21:55           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-10  7:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-10  9:35               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-10 10:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13  3:29               ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-10  6:07           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-09 16:06         ` Johan Myréen
2024-10-09 16:12           ` Ship Mints
2024-10-09 16:25           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-09 21:25         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-10  4:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-10  5:14             ` Xiyue Deng
2024-10-10  6:36               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-10  6:59                 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-10-11 20:30             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-12  7:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-12 20:27                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-12 21:00                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-13  4:53                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13  6:28                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-13  4:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13  9:37                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-13 10:39                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13 15:31                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-13 15:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-14  9:32                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-14 11:09                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-10-15  1:41                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-14 14:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-15  1:36                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-15 12:03                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-03  3:10                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-03  6:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-03 19:24                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-04 12:04                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 12:11                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 17:41                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-04 19:18                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 20:59                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-05 12:11                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 17:05                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-05 17:28                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 19:40                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-05 19:53                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 20:59                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-06 12:15                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 12:46                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-06 13:25                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 16:07                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-06 17:14                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-19  2:44                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-19 15:41                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-19 16:13                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-19 17:10                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-19 17:40                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-19 17:47                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-19 17:56                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-19 19:01                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-19 20:12                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2024-11-20 12:59                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-20 18:38                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-20 19:01                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-20 19:23                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-20 19:55                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-20 19:57                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-21  5:46                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 19:47                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-21 20:03                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 20:11                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-21 20:24                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 20:56                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-22  6:44                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 15:08                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-23 13:24                                                                                                                       ` Turning on/off tree-sitter modes (was: An anonymous IRC user's opinion) Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 16:26                                                                                                                         ` Turning on/off tree-sitter modes Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-23 16:36                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-24  2:40                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-24 13:59                                                                                                                             ` Steinar Bang
2024-11-23 17:51                                                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-11-23 18:50                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 19:23                                                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2024-11-24  2:21                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-24 15:28                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-24  5:32                                                                                                                               ` Commands that change user options? [was: Turning on/off tree-sitter modes] Drew Adams
2024-11-24 10:23                                                                                                                               ` Turning on/off tree-sitter modes Stephen Berman
2024-11-24  2:29                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-24  7:29                                                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2024-11-24  8:06                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-24 17:29                                                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2024-11-24 18:56                                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-25  0:44                                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-25  7:24                                                                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2024-11-25 12:09                                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-26  0:35                                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-26  0:40                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-26 14:30                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-26 14:29                                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-26 18:42                                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-26 18:45                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-26 20:16                                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-26 21:36                                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-26 20:16                                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-26 20:32                                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-27  7:27                                                                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2024-11-27 12:36                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-28  7:58                                                                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2024-11-28 18:50                                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-28 19:34                                                                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2024-11-28 19:51                                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-29  7:17                                                                                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-11-29  7:05                                                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-26  4:54                                                                                                                         ` Turning on/off tree-sitter modes (was: An anonymous IRC user's opinion) Richard Stallman
2024-11-26 15:17                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-29 18:09                                                                                                                         ` Turning on/off tree-sitter modes Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2024-11-30  3:26                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-30  7:38                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 18:49                                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-02  2:04                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-12-02  2:58                                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-02 12:46                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02 12:41                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03  3:30                                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-03 12:45                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 13:26                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-03 14:14                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 14:55                                                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-03 16:45                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 17:10                                                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-03 17:14                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 18:24                                                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-11-19 17:59                                                                           ` An anonymous IRC user's opinion Juri Linkov
2024-11-19 19:52                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-20 16:47                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-20 17:36                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2024-11-20 18:07                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-05 13:21                                                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-11-05 13:47                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 16:52                                                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-11-05 17:22                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 17:49                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-05 19:23                                                           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-11-06  0:09                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-06  9:35                                                               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-11-06  9:59                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-07 14:16                                                                 ` Automatic Suggestion of Packages Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-07 16:07                                                                   ` Visuwesh
2024-11-07 21:50                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-08  4:15                                                                       ` Visuwesh
2024-11-08  4:29                                                                         ` Visuwesh
2024-11-08 14:02                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-08 15:44                                                                           ` Visuwesh
2024-11-08 16:23                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-11 20:07                                                                   ` Mekeor Melire
2024-11-12  3:00                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-10-13 10:52                       ` An anonymous IRC user's opinion Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-10 13:58     ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-10 14:45       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-12  3:19         ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-10-06  5:31 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-10-06  6:04 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06  9:06 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-06  9:10   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06 10:31   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-10-07 21:17     ` John ff
2024-10-13  3:29   ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-01 20:09 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2024-10-04 16:25 ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-04 18:10   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-04 18:30     ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-04 19:24       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-04 20:37         ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-05  8:41           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-05 12:57             ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-05 13:21               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-05 15:57               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-09  3:30               ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-09  7:04                 ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-07  3:54     ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-07  4:14       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-07 14:27         ` Ship Mints
2024-10-07 14:46           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-07 10:31       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-10  0:22 ` chad

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