From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: longlines-show-hard-newlines - should not the default be t? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:32:16 +0200 Message-ID: <485E9AB0.2090408@gmail.com> References: <485DA2E7.3010207@gmail.com> <873an6l098.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <485E2345.8060605@gmail.com> <485E4550.1070707@gmail.com> <873an5mjfe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <485E93EC.5030503@gmail.com> <85wskh5nsj.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214159622 20787 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2008 18:33:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Emacs Devel , Stefan Monnier , Miles Bader To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 22 20:34:27 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KAUON-0004oi-Nk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:34:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43781 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KAUNY-00068y-GN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:33:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KAUMZ-0005us-FT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:32:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KAUMX-0005uC-Mp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:32:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48471 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KAUMX-0005u3-F7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:32:29 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:57673) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KAUMQ-0006ch-7H; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:32:22 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-145-59.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.145.59]:64959 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KAUMO-00038t-3m; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:32:20 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <85wskh5nsj.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080621-0, 2008-06-21), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.145.59 X-ACL-Warn: Too high rate of unknown addresses received from you X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KAUMO-00038t-3m. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KAUMO-00038t-3m 63b15d937e4082cfd7ee74d844b87aaa X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99704 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > >> Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >>> Lennart Borgman (gmail) writes: >>> >>> > Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> >>> > > add a paragraph-icon in the fringe of the few lines that do not wrap. >>> > > But will it not be much harder to see to which line the fringe >>> belongs? >>> >>> That's why when God created Fringes, Right *and* Left did He create >>> them. Put it in the left fringe (except in Hebrew and Arabic, of >>> course!) >> Yes! But creation is not finished and that is why he gave us the >> ability to choose, create. And actually I think using the left fringe >> for this would be a mistake. I think most human beeings expect to find >> line feeds to the right. Even though that is a human mistake it would >> be another not to take this into account. > > We already made the default scroll bar placement to the left because > texts and text work tends to be left-justified. Not on w32 I think. > Yes, it is contrary to > the normal expectations, but as long as it has a noticeable benefit, > that has not kept us from improving Emacs. But this would also deviate from for example how OpenOffice shows similar things. Though I can't make up my mind. More trying to collect the arguments.