From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-M-TAB stand-in for M-TAB, on MS Windows? Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:48:59 +0200 Message-ID: <483BAEDB.6020709@gmail.com> References: <007901c8bec5$4179df80$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><3F8C7B43-05C3-4970-91DA-73152E9286E8@pobox.com> <483AE253.1010208@gmail.com> <000001c8bf4e$ef90aed0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <483AEDA0.1000105@gmail.com> <000201c8bf54$0a312490$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <483B27CA.9000102@gmail.com> <000801c8bf88$47c9e3d0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <483B4B4A.8010502@gmail.com> <000901c8bf8f$420017b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1211870966 14147 80.91.229.12 (27 May 2008 06:49:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 06:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'John Paul Wallington' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 27 08:50:06 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K0t0X-0005pY-Mg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 May 2008 08:50:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36983 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K0szm-0002aV-Eh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 May 2008 02:49:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K0szh-0002Z8-G1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 May 2008 02:49:13 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K0szg-0002Yk-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 May 2008 02:49:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48843 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K0szf-0002Yh-U6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 May 2008 02:49:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:61594) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K0szf-0006B0-AH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 May 2008 02:49:11 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K0sze-0001JY-I2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 May 2008 02:49:10 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-150-27.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.150.27]:61243 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K0szY-0004Ib-6K; Tue, 27 May 2008 08:49:05 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <000901c8bf8f$420017b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080527-0, 2008-05-27), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.150.27 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1K0szY-0004Ib-6K. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1K0szY-0004Ib-6K ed91cc2fda1aa344cc49fed6804193bb X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:97783 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: >>> Whoever polls Emacs users could do so - that could help. >> In a question like this I do not think it will help that >> much. We will simply not reach those potential new users >> that we really would like to reach. > > If you can't reach them, then don't worry about them. If no one can justifiably > speak for them, and no one can measure them, then we must ignore them. No sense > polling or speaking for the supernatural. If you want reliable results you can't ignore them. >> I tried to say that the documentation of w32-register-hot-key should >> take the technical things I referred to into account in some way. > > I don't know what those "technical things" are or why the Emacs doc should take > them into account. Why make this so complicated? It's just about letting users > choose Windows ALT-TAB within Emacs or Emacs M-TAB within Emacs. I am trying to say that there might be technical limitations (but I am unsure which these are). > So are you saying that w32-register-hot-key does not work in some cases? Can you > give an example? It is rather complicated I believe. When you do things that you are not supposed to do the window manager/OS might get upset. When I registered Alt-Tab I could see things happening with the menus that I never seen before. One of the menus in Emacs where jumping a bit upwards and it became bold. Like if it had recieved most of the Alt key but not all. >> (MS has not documented when this happen. It is just that the >> recommended way is to use a low level keyboard hook.) > > Recommended way to do what? To have Emacs recognize ALT-TAB as M-TAB? Why care > what MS recommends about that? To get things working.