From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-M-TAB stand-in for M-TAB, on MS Windows? Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 01:44:10 +0200 Message-ID: <483B4B4A.8010502@gmail.com> References: <007901c8bec5$4179df80$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><3F8C7B43-05C3-4970-91DA-73152E9286E8@pobox.com> <483AE253.1010208@gmail.com> <000001c8bf4e$ef90aed0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <483AEDA0.1000105@gmail.com> <000201c8bf54$0a312490$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <483B27CA.9000102@gmail.com> <000801c8bf88$47c9e3d0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1211845471 25129 80.91.229.12 (26 May 2008 23:44:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 23:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'John Paul Wallington' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 27 01:45:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K0mNK-0006iO-Gs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 May 2008 01:45:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55852 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K0mMZ-0003ms-DA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:44:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K0mMV-0003mF-7n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:44:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K0mMS-0003in-PK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:44:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54151 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K0mMS-0003ie-Jg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:44:16 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]:34721) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K0mMS-0004QQ-5O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:44:16 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-150-27.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.150.27]:60535 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K0mMP-00062s-90; Tue, 27 May 2008 01:44:14 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <000801c8bf88$47c9e3d0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080526-0, 2008-05-26), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.150.27 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1K0mMP-00062s-90. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1K0mMP-00062s-90 8fa8f4a9287b56ed7d1c13c8a8af5f2f X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:97767 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > Who's to say whose gut feeling is accurate? I am to say my gut feeling is accurate, you are to say your gut feeling is accurate ;-) > Whoever polls Emacs users could do so - that could help. In a question like this I do not think it will help that much. We will simply not reach those potential new users that we really would like to reach. >> To alter those keys you have to use a low level keyboard hook. Such >> beasts are app specific and where invented as a reaction to >> the critics raised against earlier mechanisms for keyboard control >> on w32. (At least that was how I understands it.) > > I have no idea what you're talking about. This is about _documenting_ > `w32-register-hot-key'. Please don't turn it into something else. Whatever you > mean by "special" and "alter those keys", it doesn't seem to be about > documenting `w32-register-hot-key'. I tried to say that the documentation of w32-register-hot-key should take the technical things I referred to into account in some way. > No one is proposing changing the behavior of > Windows outside Emacs. It is not that simple to divide those things. If you change Alt-Tab in Emacs would you not in a way change Windows too then? > What does not work consistently, without what low-level keyboard hook? Alt-tab and the windows keys may in some circumstances still be sent to Windows without the low-level keyboard hook. (MS has not documented when this happen. It is just that the recommended way is to use a low level keyboard hook.)