From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: customizing key definitions with Customize Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 02:40:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4828E363.40703@gmail.com> References: <000301c8b39e$ded16a50$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <003701c8b438$9d6e9f20$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87r6c75brc.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1210639252 4412 80.91.229.12 (13 May 2008 00:40:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 00:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 13 02:41:23 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jvia2-00033q-ET for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 May 2008 02:41:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34870 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JviZJ-00063u-Hb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:40:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JviZ9-000604-Rv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:40:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JviZ8-0005yr-3w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:40:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=32785 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JviZ7-0005yk-O1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:40:25 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:47210) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JviZ1-0007Lr-1r; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:40:19 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-150-27.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.150.27]:60861 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JviYw-00009h-6K; Tue, 13 May 2008 02:40:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <87r6c75brc.fsf@jurta.org> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080512-0, 2008-05-12), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.150.27 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1JviYw-00009h-6K. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1JviYw-00009h-6K 1100d8161ef542b84e65b728d9fe0940 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:97058 Archived-At: Juri Linkov wrote: >>> Using Customize to rebind keys would be a good feature to add; >>> but in order to make this fit in well with Emacs, it should >>> store the bindings in keymaps. For instance, if you customize >>> the bindings of Lisp mode, it should do that by altering >>> the bindings in lisp-mode-map. >> Not sure what you mean. The code I sent does let users change bindings in the >> keymap. If such an option were provided for Lisp mode, users could use it to >> change `lisp-mode-map' bindings. However, it is true that if a binding is >> changed in some other way, it is not then reflected in the user option. That >> could be fixed. > > Another alternative is to make keybindings first-class entities > for Customize like faces with their `defface' definition. > So customized and saved settings in a customization file > would be like: > > (custom-set-keybindings > ;; custom-set-keybindings was added by Custom. > ;; If you edit it by hand, you could mess it up, so be careful. > ;; Your init file should contain only one such instance. > ;; If there is more than one, they won't work right. > '(emacs-lisp-mode-map (([tab] 'lisp-indent-or-complete) ...)) > ...) > > that will override the default bindings in the corresponding keymaps. Looks like a good step towards customize-sparse-keymap.